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Old 10-24-17, 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by ArmyofOne
Actually i had a samsung note7 that did. I dont use iphones
Remind me again where the Note 7 was built....?

And did yours actually explode in your pocket, or are you vicariously assuming the experience of one of the 92 owners (out of several million) who did?

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The shape is pretty nice but a 600hp 738 torque 4cylinder expensive hybrid made in China. What could go wrong. That kind of power out of a 4cyl hybrid is simply too much and will not be reliable for a daily driver.
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MADE IN CHINA (as with other Made in ____) definitions are a little muddy similar to what pman6 and others have mentioned:

1. Assembled in China by Chinese workers from a non-Chinese company is a little different than
2. Made and created/duplicated by Chinese companies is where everyone wants to bash about the low quality whenever we hear that phrase.

Just like some Fords are MADE IN MEXICO vs. some Toyotas are MADE IN USA....buy American product?

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Old 10-25-17, 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by GS3Tek
MADE IN CHINA (as with other Made in ____) definitions are a little muddy similar to what pman6 and others have mentioned:

1. Assembled in China by Chinese workers from a non-Chinese company is a little different than
2. Made and created/duplicated by Chinese companies is where everyone wants to bash about the low quality whenever we hear that phrase.

Just like some Fords are MADE IN MEXICO vs. some Toyotas are MADE IN USA....buy American product?
You guys would be surprised how many parts on US built vehicles come from China. It is all perfectly legal because there are actual factories in China that operate on leased land by USA. Yes, US Army protects the borderline of the factory as it's legally a US territory inside mainland China. For example your Chrysler/Jeep leather used to come from there. it's a hot mess.

Chinese can make some really high tech stuff as well as superior textile and apparel and leather accessories. I've seen some stuff that eclipses in craftsmanship anything that comes from Italy or France. You just have to know where to look for it but it doesn't come cheap at all. You will have to pay mid-high to very-high pricing for ultra-quality apparel while in Europe you pay ultra-high price for ultra-quality. Yes you still save money technically but it's no where near the ration as in common Chinese export goods.

Now Vietnam is whole another story. Vietnam is basically a training facility for Chinese workers, that's where they go to learn and put some hours under their belt before they go into China mainland factory.
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Default Volvo spinoff reveals first car in Geneva



Polestar unveiled its first real car, the Polestar 1. It is a four-seat, plug-in hybridperformance coupe with two electric motors that can provide 218 horsepower to drive the rear wheels for 90 miles of range — along with a 2.0-liter supercharged and turbocharged four-cylinder that drives the front wheels for a combined 600 hp of all-wheel potency.

It is sculpted, and muscular, like an Audi S5 that mated with an Aston Martin Vanquish. It will be produced in China in very limited numbers.

All of which begs the question: What is Polestar?

Well, it used to be Volvo's in-house tuner shop, responsible for blattily souping up the motors and suspensions of otherwise staid sedans and wagons. But that's over now. Sort of. The marque is still performance-oriented, and still uses Volvo platforms as its underpinnings — the 1 is built on a shortened version of the V90's architecture. But in its new iteration, it is a standalone brand, dedicated to contemporary buzzwords such as sustainability, mobility and technology.

"We will focus on electric mobility and make it a reality by having something that is not just a dogmatic electric vehicle, but something that is desirable to drive," says Thomas Ingenlath, the former Volvo design chief who has been tagged to run the brand. "As a startup, we get to experiment with new offerings and service and design that we couldn't do at Volvo. We have a chance to do things that are not all-inclusive, that are more elite, edgy, higher profile. That are not for cars you buy for your family, but for yourself."

Differentiation, as it turns out, requires infrastructural investment. In order for Lexus to signify luxury, it had to create a dealership experience that was intensely elevated from the quotidian one offered by Toyota. This was, as it turns out, one of its great successes and one of the reasons for its success. Conversely, General Motors' decision to make Hummer a standalone brand, instead of a product line from, say, GMC, eventually ended up bankrupting that marque with its expense and overhead and requisite dissemination network. So how is Volvo/Polestar handling this?

"Polestar will be subscription service, 100 percent," says Ingenlath. "We will not rely on big dealerships. Our communications with our customers will be direct, and our digital hub will connect with our customers directly. Of course we will have small Polestar spaces — downtown, not in every town but in the metropoles of the world. And we plan for customer-ordered production, not the other way around."

With a designer at the helm of the brand, one would also expect design to be a significant standout, though Ingenlath continues to oversee that area for Volvo as well. The look of the 1 is certainly Volvo-esque in terms of many of its signature elements — headlamps, taillamps, grille, wheels. But its proportions separate it significantly, particularly in its long hood/short deck and its rather truncated greenhouse.

This final detail puts us in mind of the famed Volvo 262C coupe, a Bertone-designed, Italian-built, two-door sporting luxury version of the brand's boxy 200-series sedan, but with a V6 engine and a 4-inch chop in its squared off, vinyl-padded roof.

"I can guarantee you absolutely no thought was given to giving this a vinyl roof," Ingenlath says, laughing. "Maybe on the inside cladding, a headliner with a nice perforation ... I could maybe see that."
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I like the looks of it. Subscription cost is going to be pretty high considering the same program on the XC40 is ~$600/month
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Made in China or not, I love the looks and all the specs!
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I am looking forward to some reviews.

My sense is having that much power to the front wheels will detract from the driving experience (compared to a car with most of the power driving the rear wheels).
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Default Polestar 1 can now be configured, ordered with refundable $2,500 deposit



The Polestar 1, the first vehicle from Volvo's new electrified performance brand, has an online configurator and is finally available for pre-order. After debuting late last year, we got our first real glimpse of the sleek coupe at last week's Geneva Motor Show. Though production has been limited to just 1,500 units, more than 7,000 people have expressed a real interest in the car so far, and production could be expanded. Orders can be placed with a fully-refundable $2,500 deposit.

The coupe draws heavily from the Volvo Concept Coupe from 2013. The hybrid packs a punch, churning out 600 horsepower and 738 pound-feet of torque. The car is capable of 93 miles of all-electric driving. A gasoline engine powers the front wheels while two electric motors handle business in the rear.

Pre-orders are available in 18 countries: China, United States, Sweden, Germany, Norway, the Netherlands, Denmark, Finland, the United Kingdom, Spain, France, Portugal, Poland, Italy, Austria, Switzerland, Belgium and Canada. It's still unclear if you can actually purchase the car, as Polestar has said the car will be subscription based. As recently as last week in Geneva, CEO Thomas Ingenlath said it would be "100 percent" subscription-based.

All services — from maintenance to car washes — will be handles through the Polestar app. Showrooms will be separate from Volvo's current lineup, though locations are still being scouted.
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ahhh yeahhhh..

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Default 2020 Polestar 1 First Drive | A car to desire, a brand to watch

New 619-hp GT is from Volvo's high-performance, electrified offshoot brand






SAN FRANCISCO — The Polestar 1 is a 619-horsepower grand touring coupe. It goes further on a charge than any other plug-in hybrid and got 45 mpg in not-exactly leisurely driving. It blitzes corners like a metaphor and is comfortable enough to drive your mother to Kohl's. It's meticulously crafted and looks like hot, sophisticated sex. It's basically everything one could ever hope for in an awesome car with an environmental conscience.

And too bad, you can't have one. Effectively. Only 500 per year will be sold globally with a price tag of $156,000, so although it's certainly possible, you'll need all that cash and a strong elbow to work past that guy from Oslo ahead of you in line. And judging by the reaction to the car during the press launch, the line might be long. Rarely has a car caused so many heads to swivel and bystanders stop to ask, "What kind of car is that?" It's understandable – it looks the way it does, but there's also an intrigue to the Polestar that goes beyond what you'd get driving an electric green Lamborghini through town. It's the unknown element that piques curiosity, and owning something that causes such a reaction is bound to swell that annual queue past 500.

Interestingly, though, no one seemed to clue into the fact that they were looking at a Volvo. Those who can I.D. an XC90 or S90 will likely spot the family resemblance, though, especially after taking a look inside the Polestar 1, where carbon fiber trim and yellow seatbelts can't hide that it's virtually the same design as an S90. Is that a problem? Well, the disparate price tags of the two cars would indicate it might be. Then again, is your husband looking like Chris Hemsworth a problem? Though not original, it's still handsome as ever, and the quality is there for the price tag.


The same thing could be said of the exterior, which is derived from the Volvo Concept Coupe, the car from 2013 that showcased designer Thomas Ingenlath's vision of where the brand could go stylistically. It would inspire the 90 and 60 series Volvos, and now serves as the starting point and halo car for Polestar, the new high-performance, all-electrified offshoot brand from Volvo. That its CEO is Ingenlath himself is evident in the design-focused approach to creating the brand, from the cars to the look of Polestar stores and how they'll be clearly defined from Volvo.

For the Polestar 1, that means looking beyond the styling. The structure is derived from Volvo's SPA platform that underpins the 60 and 90 series cars, but it's effectively sliced, shortened and spliced back together with a carbon fiber cross member dubbed the "dragonfly" that increases structural rigidity by 60%. Then things really get exotic. Most of the outer and inner body panels are carbon-fiber-reinforced plastic, which increases total torsional stiffness by 45% and makes producing that concept car look possible in the first place. Ingenlath says the crisp lines and sharp creases, especially in the hood and fenders, would be impossible without carbon fiber. So would the ultra-low roof. Using steel, or worse, aluminum, would require thicker pillars or a taller, dome-like greenhouse. So, although it isn't obvious the Polestar's made of an exotic material, it just couldn't look as low, wide and damn sexy without it.

It would also weigh 506 pounds more, which is an especially big deal when you consider there are a pair of battery packs aboard – one under the center console, the other atop the rear axle for a total capacity of 34 kWh. Their weight is not only negated in part by the carbon fiber's savings (total curb weight is 5,170 pounds), but combines with it to dramatically lower the car's center of gravity and contributes to a rear-biased weight distribution of 48/52. Both are evident behind the wheel, contributing to a planted, balanced car that'll make you start hunting hairpin turns, eagerly seeing if you can go even faster next time. You probably can. The grip is astonishing.


There's more than just weight distribution at work, though. Rather than follow the trend of electronically controlled adaptive dampers, Polestar utilizes Öhlins Dual Flow Valve manually adjustable dampers. There are literally little ***** adjacent to the shocks that can be turned to select among 22 settings. Polestar recommends three combinations, including the firmer "Performance+" set-up (2 front, 3 rear), softer "Dynamic" (15 front, 16 rear) and the Goldilocks factory setting dubbed "Performance" (9 for the front, 10 for the rear). We drove exclusively with that, and at high speeds, the suspension is astonishing, delivering on the Bay Area's garbled concrete highways a ride superior to a big-wheeled 90 Series Volvo, while also aiding the ongoing hairpin endeavor.

Ingenlath says the Öhlins dampers are "an example of us being dedicated to a very classic, beautiful piece of mechanical engineering" rather than relying on 1's and 0's. Fair enough, but at lower speeds, the "Performance" ride is prone to tiresomely firm reactions on the even-more-garbled pavement of the Bay Area's surrounding mountain roads. Perhaps turning the ***** to 15 and 16 would make a difference, or finding your own Goldilocks combo not possible in a car with electronically controlled dampers, but how many people will do the R&D to figure that out? Maybe it's just enough that they can, and maybe that's better than a suspension button on the dash few people will press any way.


Sticky Pirelli P Zero tires wrapping standard 21-inch wheels do their fair share of keeping the Polestar cemented to the pavement, but there's also the torque-vectoring achieved by the pair of 85-kW electric motors and accompanying planetary gearsets at each rear wheel. Together they produce 232 horsepower, and with the ability to spin at different rates, the outside wheel can move faster to encourage rotation and discourage understeer.

Oversteer is then mitigated by the front axle, which draws its power from Volvo's turbo- and supercharged 2.0-liter inline-four that produces 326 horsepower and 384 pound-feet of torque. Volvo's familiar eight-speed automatic is aboard, too, but there's an integrated electric starter-generator that adds a dollop of extra power itself. The Polestar's total system output is 619 horsepower and 738 pound-feet of torque. It'll hit 62 mph in 4.2 seconds, which is hardly eye-popping for a high-dollar electrified car, but it's Polestar's belief that "electric vehicle performance is not just about straight-line acceleration and speed." Take that, Ludicrous mode.

That's a fair enough take, and indeed, the Polestar 1 certainly achieves handling heights that Tesla doesn't reach. Still, its straight-line acceleration doesn't feel as quick as its huge power output would indicate. It's also unusual, not necessarily in a bad way, and very much depends on what powertrain mode is engaged. "Hybrid" mode runs the Polestar on its electrified rear as much as possible, but engages the gas front if necessary. "Power" mode keeps both on all the time. When you floor the throttle in either, you get the odd sensation of the car accelerating quicker than the engine noise would indicate. It's like getting hit with a Neptunian tailwind.


It definitely accelerates like an electric car in those modes, albeit with a subdued gas soundtrack, but operating in the all-electric "Pure" mode (the engine will not engage) shows just how much the burly inline-four is shouldering. While you get the same right-now, ultra-smooth torque hit of electric motors, acceleration is more like a Chevy Bolt than a Tesla Model S – impressively ample but not awe-inspiring. That's not really surprising as 232 horsepower isn't much. You start to lose steam as speeds rise, or basically right as the gas engine would fill in the missing horsepower and add an ample serving of extra torque for good measure.

Really, that it can perform so capably on electricity alone is commendable for a hybrid – the Lexus LC 500h certainly can't – and with 60 to 75 miles of all-electric range (official EPA estimates are still TBD), it goes further than any other PHEV. At the same time, given that gas engine, it can go an estimated 520 total miles and can be immediately refilled when empty. There's no need to sit at a Chili's for an hour while its 50-kW fast-charging capability does its thing. There's frankly merit to the plug-in hybrid concept even if it might come across as less-than, especially considering the price tag.

And alas, sticker shock really is the hangup with the Polestar 1. It's a phenomenal car and deeply desirable, but it also costs more than a loaded Tesla Model S and about the same as a Porsche Taycan Turbo. It's also a 2+2 coupe with Mustang-like back seat space and a trunk far less useful than even a Lexus LC's. Even if there are no options apart from $5,000 matte paint, even the well-heeled are bound to raise an eyebrow. Now, all that carbon fiber certainly goes into that cost and won't be found in those aforementioned all-electrics. Nor will the quality of materials and craftsmanship. Every 1 is hand-built in a new, dedicated Polestar facility in Chengdu, China, intended only for high-dollar halo cars like the current Polestar 1 and its all-electric successor the company has confirmed is eventually coming. That factory will only and can only produce 500 cars per year, and there's always a price to be paid for exclusivity.

In the end, though, the car itself matters less than what it represents and the direction it points toward. It's indeed a halo car, the aspirational model, the Beckhamian kick to get the ball rolling down the hill. Its goal is to make the name Polestar visible and desirable enough so that a great many more people will form a line for the Polestar 2 coming in July 2020 that'll eventually have a price range between $40,000 and $65,000. The Polestar 3 SUV-ish model is set to be shown next March in Geneva. Those and every other future Polestar will be 100% electric, making the Polestar 1 the brand's first and last plug-in hybrid. At least it's a great one.
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another review - priced itself out of the market IMO, but all 500 first year car allocations are sold....so....

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Default 2020 Polestar 1 PHEV gets official EPA range ratings, will go 52 miles all-electric







The 2020 Polestar 1 has finally received its official EPA ratings. When fully charged, it’s rated for an all-electric range of 52 miles. That’s short of what the company initially claimed for the car’s range. When we drove the Polestar 1 for the first time, the claim was 60 to 75 miles. Coming in eight miles short of the 60-mile mark is missing that target, but as we’ve found time and time again, the EPA rating doesn’t necessarily reflect real-world electric range.

Total range will never be an issue for the Polestar 1, though, because it also has a 2.0-liter turbo- and supercharged inline-four under the hood. With a full tank and full charge, the Polestar 1 can go approximately 470 miles before needing to stop at a gas station. When run on gasoline only, the Polestar 1 gets a 26 mpg rating, which isn’t half bad for a car that hits 60 mph in 4.2 seconds and has 619 horsepower and 738 pound-feet of torque. It also received a 58 MPGe rating, and the EPA estimates that an average driver will spend about $1,250/year on electricity and gasoline combined.
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