If these systems were hazardous they wouldn't be street legal in the US. Technology will get better and better and these already rare false alarms will become even rarer.

It's like when airbags first came out, they were potentially deadly, still are. People were disconnecting them and afraid of them, but the technology worked itself out. In this day and age with all the texting and stuff I see around me, I think this type of distraction mitigation is a vital thing. That distraction is only going to get worse, there isn't anything we can do to change or stop that. We can make cars safer using technology such as this.

These systems are hazardous, and its only a matter of time until someone gets killed thanks to these systems and a storm of lawsuits starts rolling in. So far these systems are only available on a small percentage of high end vehicle, and most people shut them off. Just in this thread several members, myself included, posted about problems they had with these systems. Wait until its mandatory on all cars, and a daft looking suburban soccer mom gets rammed by a semi when her SUV decides to slam on the brakes because a sensor gets splattered with some road dirt, or when an oblivious 400lb midwestern redneck woman chokes on her burger when her Chrysler comes to a sudden halt for no apparent reason.


If certain drivers don't understand the concept of personal responsibility, then let law enforcement threat distracted driving with the same harsh consequences as DWI.

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1) most people turn this off? errr
2) to be fair, usually the systems turn off if the sensors are dirty. I have gotten that message
3) several people including myself have posted false alarms in this thread, but countless probably have had the system save them.

At least everyone that I know disables this stuff. From the earlier systems that beeped at random, to the newer ones that shake steering wheel, to this latest nonsense that straight up interferes with driving.

Well so far mine almost got me into an accident, so no thanks. I keep it turned off.

It' an interesting find. However, the cars in the pictures are getting paint swirls all over. If you don't want paint problems, stay out of those auto washes anyway.

Tell that to all of the people who still have family members killed every year by drunk drivers despite harsh legal consequences. "It being illegal" isn't going to save my or my family's life when some texting moron rear ends us. Forward collision intervention however just might, so I'm a fan.

Saw your link, had that vehicle and had that happen a couple times. However, technology has improved and will continue to improve and the feature will just get better and better. 2014 was already 4 model years ago.

I'd say there are far less drunk drivers than distracted drivers, and the consequences for drunk driving are pretty harsh. Plus its hard to reason with someone who is drunk, and drunk drivers often don't even realize what the hell they are doing. There have been studies showing that distracted drivers are just as dangerous as drunk drivers, and so maybe its time to treat distracted driving the same as drunk driving. I doubt many people with clear mind will risk their license to send a stupid text.

What happens when a texting moron rear ends you because you car mistakes a parked car on the side of the road for a stopped vehicle and slams on the brakes full force?

It will get worse before it will get better. I have this tech on a 2017 BMW, and its every bit as terrible. There will be a flood of cars with early stages of this tech, and accidents will happen.

high end cars like all new corollas.
and most people don't shut them off.

Until we reach a point where there is enforcement and cams, human nature prevails. Like when the guy rear-ended my neighbor, and claimed his EZPass fell off his windshield. Nice try, there's no roadway that needs it for over 8 miles, how would that a) happen b) cause you to rear end someone? If my neighbor had a rear cam, it would show whether this happened, or it didn't.

How is there zero distracted driving in Ontario/Toronto?

BMW is terrible, I was informed on Fri. that on all 18's+, the turn signals and wiper stalks function like all the other cars. Talk about selling out and giving up uniqueness and heritage blah blah blah....I have the start off assistant on my '07 manual. It causes premature wear of the rear brakes. Upon reset, the computer shows 90,000 of life on the fronts, 45,000 on the rears. Many of us don't need an "assist" when starting off on a hill, not even in San Francisco....

Is this standard on the new corollas?

And everyone I know shuts this stuff off. It's utterly useless here in NYC's dense traffic and bad roads, causing nothing but constant false alarms and annoying beeping.

For the most part, imho, these systems should be left alone. On my other forum, I could never understand the posts, "I disabled my DTC and curbed my car!" Don't understand, but believe them, and so I've only done it 2X for the heck of it. And it's a two step process. When I did the Porsche event, in the lead follow, we were told we can touch any button we please in the vehicles, but if you press the PSM, you can explain to the other 16 individuals why the entire program is shut down for the day. imho it should not be multiple steps to go through a car wash--it can not only affect the driver, but other vehicles. Maybe on the sign upon entrance, not only should "N" be highlighted, but disabling any collision avoidance system as well.

Exactly why distorted driving is a bigger problem. In any event, penalties for drunk driving are really only harsh if you are a repeat offender and/or can't afford a good attorney. I know a lot of people who habitually drive drunk (like multiple times per week) and have done so for 30 years and have never been stopped, or if stopped have never been ticketed because they had enough sense to refuse to cooperate, or if ticketed have never been convicted. I also know people who have lost their licenses yet still drive...both sober and drunk. You can't legislate your way out of a societal problem.

Drunk driving deaths are on the decline, but still 1/3rd of traffic fatalities involve alcohol. Hardly a "solved problem". These collision mitigation systems can help that as well.

LOL have you ever tried to reason with a millennial with a robust personal fable? Good luck.

HAHAHAHAHA! I literally laughed out loud when I read this. Incredibly naive. Yes, yes they will. Almost everyone will.

Its not only "stupid" either. The nature of our society is changing, and this instant communication is a necessity for a great many people. Even me, I'm in sales and if I'm in the car off and on all day as I routinely am, I CANNOT wait until I get out of the car to respond to emails and texts. I do it at red lights and when stopped where I can, try to be as safe as I can but it cannot be avoided. If I were unable to do that it would hurt my job performance and my ability to provide for my family. So I have no choice but to break the law, and I would have to do that regardless of the penalty. Believe me, my customers often don't understand that I'm in a meeting for 30 minutes and couldn't respond..."I'm driving" ain't gonna cut it.

Would be WAY less likely that somebody distracted rear ending me normally, and like I said as technology gets better and better that will be less and less of a possibility.

Accidents are happening now...airbags killed people...seatbelts decapitated people...antilock brakes made braking less safe until people learned not to pump brakes...progress hurts. In the end it will be better and safer.

Yes, now standard on all new Toyota and Lexus models.

Though I can't agree with everything that Och has said on the issue, most of what he said was right on. There never was, and never will be, a better safety-feature than two good eyes, two good ears, and a mind focused on the road ahead....not texting, cell-phones, coffee, breakfast, reading the paper, shaving with a plug-in razor, drying one's hair, putting on make-up, screwing around with video-screens, or whatever have you.

I think we are trying to depend too much on electronic gimmicks when the real answer is life-style changes and better driving habits. Too many people seem to think that they have a God-Given right to drive any way they want to, under any circumstances, in any negligent or irresponsible way they feel like. In all 50 states and D.C., driving is considered a legal privilege, not a right.

I believe in what a former colleague said. This conversation began with him saying his wife just said their son is getting a Mustang GT when he turns 16. Without smiling, he said no way that's going to happen (the son was about 18 mos. at the time). He said both his son and daughter are going to have to a) drive a stick b) change the oil c) change a tire, before they can even think of getting a learner's permit. I agreed with him and my son at the time was about a year younger. We were riding with my wife's BFF who stated the son is getting the Pilot and the daughter is getting the Accord when they turn 16. 12 y.o. daughter was in the car and not happy with the idea of getting a used Accord. I said I'm just curious, where does all this come from? I understand the Pilot is 5 y.o. and not new, but I don't think Noel can comprehend how much work it takes to earn the $36k you paid for that when it was new.

Anyway, most people today know what to do with ABS brakes, mash the pedal through the floor and steer. Do most people know what to do, if the ABS light is yellow, i.e the system has been disabled?