5 Things that Separate Lexus from the Rest
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5 Things that Separate Lexus from the Rest
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Lexus Fanatic
I dunno if this has changed, but I think that a higher end car should not use components from their in laws, meaning say power window switches in Lexus should be different than Toyotas, power lock switches, headlight switches, windshield washer stalks, etc. etc. Another area imho would be the quality of seats and door panels, vs. the European competition.
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Compared with the high end AUDI, Mercedes, and BMW that have the fully leather stitched interiors, I completely agree. Lexus does not offer anything like it. But then again those are all $90k+ vehicles on the very low end and so it's not a fair comparison. Your typical base model 3 series and A4 are not that impressive at all.
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Just about all Lexus competitors have quicker top end, middle, and base engines/cars with more power. LS has 380hp, competitors all have had over 400hp and have been quicker for a while, GS350 is down on power and acceleration compared to most competitors and GS lacks affordable V8 option, GS F down on power and performance compared to competitors, same with IS350, new Lexus 4cyl down on power and performance. Competitors build just as safe if not safer vehicles. Lexus reliability and quality has fallen while dealership cost,prices, gouging are near or at German levels while competitors reliability ratings have gone up.
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Compared with the high end AUDI, Mercedes, and BMW that have the fully leather stitched interiors, I completely agree. Lexus does not offer anything like it. But then again those are all $90k+ vehicles on the very low end and so it's not a fair comparison. Your typical base model 3 series and A4 are not that impressive at all.
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Have to agree. The ****ty base models of 3-series and A4 still drive solid despite the lack of options and power. You can't even get that kind of stability performance from an optioned out Accord Sports Limited/Camry XLE.
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Just about all Lexus competitors have quicker top end, middle, and base engines/cars with more power. LS has 380hp, competitors all have had over 400hp and have been quicker for a while, GS350 is down on power and acceleration compared to most competitors and GS lacks affordable V8 option, GS F down on power and performance compared to competitors, same with IS350, new Lexus 4cyl down on power and performance. Competitors build just as safe if not safer vehicles. Lexus reliability and quality has fallen while dealership cost,prices, gouging are near or at German levels while competitors reliability ratings have gone up.
(plus, what are you using over 400hp for anyways? lol)
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Lexus Fanatic
One thing: Customer Service
Having an '06, I avoid the dealership obviously as much as possible. The customer service seems to be top notch no matter which dealer I have popped-in at. One dealership gives the SA's their own offices? And a customer was holding hands with an attractive SA? Another, I strolled into looking for a plastic hood pin and I was dressed for the gym. An advisor walked me to the parts counter because I couldn't find it, in a suit. Yet another dealership, since I wanted to take off the GMC license plate frame that came with my car purchased used, I asked them if I could have some license plate frames--before the receptionist could answer, an SA said, "I'll get you a couple." He did and handed me a set of two still in the plastic package.
That's customer service. With all that being said, virtually all service is overpriced and bordering on eclipsing BMW. If only BMW could understand the customer service portion, but you don't spend much time there since they give you a loaner for any/all reasons, even $60 services.....
Having an '06, I avoid the dealership obviously as much as possible. The customer service seems to be top notch no matter which dealer I have popped-in at. One dealership gives the SA's their own offices? And a customer was holding hands with an attractive SA? Another, I strolled into looking for a plastic hood pin and I was dressed for the gym. An advisor walked me to the parts counter because I couldn't find it, in a suit. Yet another dealership, since I wanted to take off the GMC license plate frame that came with my car purchased used, I asked them if I could have some license plate frames--before the receptionist could answer, an SA said, "I'll get you a couple." He did and handed me a set of two still in the plastic package.
That's customer service. With all that being said, virtually all service is overpriced and bordering on eclipsing BMW. If only BMW could understand the customer service portion, but you don't spend much time there since they give you a loaner for any/all reasons, even $60 services.....
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Lexus Fanatic
In real world driving those differences are not only negligible, but who can notice? Most certainly cannot. And I'm not sure I'm fully on board with BMW or whoever beating out Lexus in safety. They may be caught up, but not surpassing.
(plus, what are you using over 400hp for anyways? lol)
(plus, what are you using over 400hp for anyways? lol)
If nobody used or really wanted 400hp then 8 cyl Mustangs, Camaro's, Corvettes, M3's, M5's, 911's, Ferrari's, AMG's, S classes, Bentley's, Aston Martin's, etc would not sell or there would be no demand for them. There is a market for power and it is a big selling point for some, 400hp in a very big heavy car like a S class would make the car and acceleration very smooth and effortless, it would not make it into some kind of hot rod, with just 300hp or less it would likely struggle a bit and not be as satisfying, smooth, and effortless to drive.
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To some buyers they find it negligible or can't notice but to others they do find it a big deal and can notice the difference especially when it comes to more expensive luxury and sports cars they may be more passionate about. Keeping older engines at the same power levels in the next generation of cars will be noticed by some buyers, especially when that next gen of vehicles is generally slower then the previous one.
If nobody used or really wanted 400hp then 8 cyl Mustangs, Camaro's, Corvettes, M3's, M5's, 911's, Ferrari's, AMG's, S classes, Bentley's, Aston Martin's, etc would not sell or there would be no demand for them. There is a market for power and it is a big selling point for some, 400hp in a very big heavy car like a S class would make the car and acceleration very smooth and effortless, it would not make it into some kind of hot rod, with just 300hp or less it would likely struggle a bit and not be as satisfying, smooth, and effortless to drive.
If nobody used or really wanted 400hp then 8 cyl Mustangs, Camaro's, Corvettes, M3's, M5's, 911's, Ferrari's, AMG's, S classes, Bentley's, Aston Martin's, etc would not sell or there would be no demand for them. There is a market for power and it is a big selling point for some, 400hp in a very big heavy car like a S class would make the car and acceleration very smooth and effortless, it would not make it into some kind of hot rod, with just 300hp or less it would likely struggle a bit and not be as satisfying, smooth, and effortless to drive.
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It's noticeable and it's spectacular.
Almost every segment is dominated by another car in performance. I don't know of any that Lexus dominates. Not that performance is the only criteria. Lexus makes up for it in quality and reliability. It's one of the things that makes Lexus so attractive. All that performance costs $$ and tech that might otherwise make those cars a weeeee bit less reliable. It's one of the reasons that I do not keep any of my German cars past 3-4 years, but I'm looking for a long term LS.
Almost every segment is dominated by another car in performance. I don't know of any that Lexus dominates. Not that performance is the only criteria. Lexus makes up for it in quality and reliability. It's one of the things that makes Lexus so attractive. All that performance costs $$ and tech that might otherwise make those cars a weeeee bit less reliable. It's one of the reasons that I do not keep any of my German cars past 3-4 years, but I'm looking for a long term LS.
Last edited by ragingf80; 04-25-17 at 04:50 PM.