2018 Camry revealed
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Funny you say that, because I find that my receptionist's husband's old 2001-06 Camry 3.0 V6 is smoother, quieter and more refined than my receptionist's 2012-17 Camry 3.5 V6.
They don't just differ in engine NVH, they also differ in suspension NVH.
I want to murder Akio.
One thing I notice though.
You seem to have tested the SE Sports Edition which is supposed to be sporty?
The real test will be how the LE Luxury Edition rides....
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They don't just differ in engine NVH, they also differ in suspension NVH.
I want to murder Akio.
One thing I notice though.
You seem to have tested the SE Sports Edition which is supposed to be sporty?
The real test will be how the LE Luxury Edition rides....
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Today I passed two 91-96 Camrys on the way to work. That shows how well those cars were built...I really liked those when they came out, but by the time I was ready to actually consider a new one, it was the '97 model, which I think looking back does not look good. The current one looks good. Who knows, maybe if 2-4 yrs. in there's a new powertrain, it will be an appealing car to people like me...never say never...(except the price)
Again looking back, the 2006 was difficult to get when it came out. So that's interesting that those days are gone--even for a 2 door BMW. 3 (or now it's called a 4). The 4 came out, and just go and buy it off the lot. Back in 2006 when the E92 came out, it was a 8-10 wk. wait, not a dealer in the nation had one to sell in October...sometimes I think the je ne sais pas is gone with cars....
Again looking back, the 2006 was difficult to get when it came out. So that's interesting that those days are gone--even for a 2 door BMW. 3 (or now it's called a 4). The 4 came out, and just go and buy it off the lot. Back in 2006 when the E92 came out, it was a 8-10 wk. wait, not a dealer in the nation had one to sell in October...sometimes I think the je ne sais pas is gone with cars....
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Toyota's 3.0 V6 is indeed one of the best engines anyone has every made. From my memory, it was so smooth and quiet, you'd have to look at the tach to see what was going on. Even at full throttle, it did not sound or feel strained. Amazing engineering. Today's 3.5 V6 has less refinement and sounds odd at higher rpm's. Since most people don't drag race from stop light to stop light in their Camry's and RX's, I think we were better off with the 3.0.
If BMW were to go V6, we all know the fat lady has sung. imho there is a huge difference taking a I6 to the redline, and a V6....that's just physics...
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Thought I would point out one thing about the two tone black roof different color body Camrys. The different color roof or black part is a tape. It's not a different color. Not sure how other makers do the roof, but I thought it was a little disappointing on the part of Toyota. Very similar to how the new Tacoma has a taped on black background pillar.
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Thought I would point out one thing about the two tone black roof different color body Camrys. The different color roof or black part is a tape. It's not a different color. Not sure how other makers do the roof, but I thought it was a little disappointing on the part of Toyota. Very similar to how the new Tacoma has a taped on black background pillar.
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It's def vinyl. Now I can but sure the roof part is not paint or perhaps a black plastic part. The upper door frame or whatever it's called that runs the A to C pillar is definitely a wrap.
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You don't think the current brands would be the ones supplying the self-driving cars? If any of them have the means to do it, it's the big (wealthy) brands we have now (like Toyota/Lexus). I don't see any of these going anywhere anytime soon. The quality of what they produce today will have a hand in what is bought 15 years from now.
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Even without the paradigm shift, they didn't even care about it on the LS430, which was the flagship car. The vinyl peels off on the drip rails (which are pretty costly at around $208 each), based on this forum and dates, as early as 6 years in service....so 15? You are on the money.
exactly. sure car companies love the PR that comes from people keeping brand x cars for zillions of miles and years, but it doesn't help the company's bottom line much (may even hurt it) because i believe you can't be successful in the car business if the majority of your customers keep their cars a decade or more. dealers love used car sales (they make more money) but mfrs love new car sales and leases (that and parts are the only way they make money), so a perfectly reliable vehicle that most customers want to keep for a decade or more would be a disaster for a car company. looking at a brand like subaru, which i bet has a long period of ownership for a majority of cautious sensible type customers, they've (subaru) HAD to expand their appeal to get more sales, which they've done by making their vehicles more mainstream.
back to the camry, this applies to it too... toyota's 'shaken it up' with the new one, to hopefully entice new first time camry buyers and maybe get some existing owners to trade in their stodgy boring old ones for a new one with a bit more style and comfort.
back to the camry, this applies to it too... toyota's 'shaken it up' with the new one, to hopefully entice new first time camry buyers and maybe get some existing owners to trade in their stodgy boring old ones for a new one with a bit more style and comfort.
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exactly. sure car companies love the PR that comes from people keeping brand x cars for zillions of miles and years, but it doesn't help the company's bottom line much (may even hurt it) because i believe you can't be successful in the car business if the majority of your customers keep their cars a decade or more. dealers love used car sales (they make more money) but mfrs love new car sales and leases (that and parts are the only way they make money), so a perfectly reliable vehicle that most customers want to keep for a decade or more would be a disaster for a car company. looking at a brand like subaru, which i bet has a long period of ownership for a majority of cautious sensible type customers, they've (subaru) HAD to expand their appeal to get more sales, which they've done by making their vehicles more mainstream.
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According to Automobile Magazine, the roof is painted, not wrap.
20 Things You Didn't Know About the 2018 Toyota Camry
05. No one thought the Camry’s blacked-out roof would happen. But somehow, it slipped through the concept phase to production. (And we’re happy it did.)
06. Oh, and that black roof is a serious pain to do. While Toyota first tried to do the roof in vinyl wraps, they ended up needing to use black paint with a blue-metallic base to get the finish right. The Camry has come off the production line, and the roof has to be taped off and sprayed separately.
06. Oh, and that black roof is a serious pain to do. While Toyota first tried to do the roof in vinyl wraps, they ended up needing to use black paint with a blue-metallic base to get the finish right. The Camry has come off the production line, and the roof has to be taped off and sprayed separately.
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According to Automobile Magazine, the roof is painted, not wrap.
20 Things You Didn't Know About the 2018 Toyota Camry
20 Things You Didn't Know About the 2018 Toyota Camry
exactly. sure car companies love the PR that comes from people keeping brand x cars for zillions of miles and years, but it doesn't help the company's bottom line much (may even hurt it) because i believe you can't be successful in the car business if the majority of your customers keep their cars a decade or more.rt.
I am pretty confident that the average selling prices of Accord/Camry vs competitors or Corolla/Civic vs competitors will be higher for Toyota and Honda if most trims are equal. Same for most of their lineup.