When you click on links to various merchants on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission. Affiliate programs and affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network.
We're off topic, but 0-60 times don't tell you feel. These turbo 4cyl engines have a much earlier power band and that makes them feel peppier around town than their power figures or 0-60 times would let on.
My wife's new IS200t four cylinder turbo versus her old IS250 2.5 V6?
200t idles both more smoothly and more quietly.
200t idles "considerably" more smoothly and more quietly than 3.5 V6 with direct injection!
Instant throttle response goes to the atmospheric engine.
Under normal acceleration, both 200t and 2.5 V6 feels punchier than Lexus IS/GS 3.5 V6 with direct injection.
Under normal acceleration, 200t probably quietest, 2.5 V6 a little noisier, while 3.5 V6 direct injection in 3IS/4GS by far the loudest.
Under normal acceleration, 2.5 V6 smoothest, then 3.5 V6, while 200t a little coarser, though 200t is quite smooth for a four cylinder.
Would have to test a C Class again to comment on how smooth and quiet 200t compares to C Class four cylinder - though C Class four pot may be a little smoother, while 200t a little quieter.
C Class feels quicker than 200t mainly because C Class has near 50% aluminium content in its body.
Under wide throttle openings, 3.5 V6 more powerful and smoother than 200t.
Loudness? I'll check again.
Overall, I'd say I like the V6 more, mainly because it is so much smoother and sweeter revving than the turbo four, despite the V6 direct injection having a rougher & louder idle, and lack lustre bottom end punch.
I've never driven the forthcoming 5LS 3.5 V6 Twin Turbo before, but I suspect the case for atmos V8 smoothness is even more so than comparing the atmos V6 to turbo four...
.
Good times for TNGA-based cars - Motor Trend likes the new Camry's driving dynamics and Autocar UK loves the new C-HR in spite of the wheezy engine choices in Europe. Toyota making driver's cars again, who would've thought?
Damn this thing is surprisingly attractive! IMO, it looks great in XSE form. White with black roof and red interior is a win! I never had any plans to ever get a Camry as I found them pedantic and boring. I currently own a 2010 Matrix (first car, just needed something reliable to A to B with good cargo space) and was thinking IS350AWD as next car but if this Camry XSE V6 can perform close to the IS350AWD (at least in a straight line), I would go Camry all the way!
My wife's new IS200t four cylinder turbo versus her old IS250 2.5 V6?
200t idles both more smoothly and more quietly.
200t idles "considerably" more smoothly and more quietly than 3.5 V6 with direct injection!
i wouldn't say that the 200t idles more smoothly and quietly than the outgoing 2.5l V6 found in the IS250. i've driven both cars and i'd say that the smoother engine all around, despite its faults, is the 2.5l V6 over the raucous 2.0l I4t.
i wouldn't say that the 200t idles more smoothly and quietly than the outgoing 2.5l V6 found in the IS250. i've driven both cars and i'd say that the smoother engine all around, despite its faults, is the 2.5l V6 over the raucous 2.0l I4t.
Turbo or not, it is very difficult to make the average in-line four as smooth under load as the average V6, although there often is not much difference between the two in stop-and-go driving.
i wouldn't say that the 200t idles more smoothly and quietly than the outgoing 2.5l V6 found in the IS250. i've driven both cars and i'd say that the smoother engine all around, despite its faults, is the 2.5l V6 over the raucous 2.0l I4t.
Agreed. I just had a new IS200t loaner and it definitely did not idle as smooth as my IS250. Didn't sound as refined either.
This car looks so good and so well designed because it was designed by Toyota CALTY Newport.
Surely a different group these days, but it was the CALTY Newport design studio that designed the original Lexus SC300/400 and Toyota Soarer. Still some of the best-looking cars ever to come from Toyota/Lexus.
Really nice to see that forthcoming Camry Hybrid now has its battery relocated to the area under sandwiched between the rear seat base cushion and the fuel tank.
This design results in a bigger trunk, and it also helps to lower the center of gravity, and concentrate the weight to the yaw center for faster yaw, nee steering response.
i wouldn't say that the 200t idles more smoothly and quietly than the outgoing 2.5l V6 found in the IS250. i've driven both cars and i'd say that the smoother engine all around, despite its faults, is the 2.5l V6 over the raucous 2.0l I4t.
Originally Posted by mmarshall
Turbo or not, it is very difficult to make the average in-line four as smooth under load as the average V6, although there often is not much difference between the two in stop-and-go driving.
Originally Posted by Fizzboy7
Agreed. I just had a new IS200t loaner and it definitely did not idle as smooth as my IS250. Didn't sound as refined either.
Bit off the topic, but I have owned 2006 2IS250, 2013 3IS250 & 2017 3.5IS200t.
The first time I test drove an NX200t demo in April 2015, the 2.0T was punchy, but coarse and loud.
When I test drove two different IS200t demos late in 2015 or early 2016, both 2.0T's were coarse and loud as usual, but both IS200t demos seemed to have much more sound insulation than the NX200t demo.
However, in December 2016, I drove a brand new 3.5IS200t demo with only about 10 miles on the odometer, and it was far smoother than the three Lexus 2.0T's I had tested previously; I was sold.
This brand new IS200t had idle, smoothness, refinement and power similar to the all new C Class with 2.0T that I tested in 2014!
The moral of the story is that it seems that test drivers absolutely "thrash" the demo cars!
Thus, we cannot get a good idea of how smooth and quiet a turbo four is when it has been test driven by tens to hundreds of test drivers, and covered several thousand miles on the odometer.
Like the C Class 2.0T of 2014, I find that my missus' IS200t has a very "decent" four cylinder turbo.
The turbo four has very good engine mounts that allow it to idle at least as good as our previous 2.5 V6's, and certainly much better and quieter than my current big capacity V6 4GS350.
It is NOT as smooth as the six on revving; it has a very insulated and muted four cylinder "drone", or four cylinder hum, however most of the times, the Lexus IS four pot has SO much sound insulation that it is inaudible!
That's why I suspect the new 5LS 3.5 V6 TT will be quite good, if Lexus keeps working hard on the engine mounts, and the sound insulation material.
A big capacity 3.5 V6 TT will never match a V8 for smoothness, but it can be very "decent"...
Bit off the topic, but I have owned 2006 2IS250, 2013 3IS250 & 2017 3.5IS200t.
The first time I test drove an NX200t demo in April 2015, the 2.0T was punchy, but coarse and loud.
When I test drove two different IS200t demos late in 2015 or early 2016, both 2.0T's were coarse and loud as usual, but both IS200t demos seemed to have much more sound insulation than the NX200t demo.
However, in December 2016, I drove a brand new 3.5IS200t demo with only about 10 miles on the odometer, and it was far smoother than the three Lexus 2.0T's I had tested previously; I was sold.
This brand new IS200t had idle, smoothness, refinement and power similar to the all new C Class with 2.0T that I tested in 2014!
The moral of the story is that it seems that test drivers absolutely "thrash" the demo cars!
Thus, we cannot get a good idea of how smooth and quiet a turbo four is when it has been test driven by tens to hundreds of test drivers, and covered several thousand miles on the odometer.
Like the C Class 2.0T of 2014, I find that my missus' IS200t has a very "decent" four cylinder turbo.
The turbo four has very good engine mounts that allow it to idle at least as good as our previous 2.5 V6's, and certainly much better and quieter than my current big capacity V6 4GS350.
It is NOT as smooth as the six on revving; it has a very insulated and muted four cylinder "drone", or four cylinder hum, however most of the times, the Lexus IS four pot has SO much sound insulation that it is inaudible!
That's why I suspect the new 5LS 3.5 V6 TT will be quite good, if Lexus keeps working hard on the engine mounts, and the sound insulation material.
A big capacity 3.5 V6 TT will never match a V8 for smoothness, but it can be very "decent"...
Demo or loaner cars do not have altered engines sounds, even though these cars are less cared for. An engine cannot change noise after 2000, 5000 or 10,000 miles worth of hard driving. It takes 100k+ miles of abuse to MAYBE make some sort of difference, and even that is a stretch considering how modern engines are built today. What you are hearing and feeling is a direct result of how the engine was built in the factory.
01-11-17, 08:31 PM
