Agree about 4 cylinder turbos in general, but to clarify, the Mazda6 is not a turbo.

 

as I said.. premium price and a base model look.. yuck on the hybrid front end..

 

Many people would be complaining including me, can't stand 4 cylinders replacing good 6 cylinders. I am glad they kept the V6, huge selling point to me over adding useless apps/lane keep assist/monitoring systems, and other pointless features like that I never use. Plenty of people are also complaining about a 6 cylinder in the LS replacing the V8.

The Camry looks like the previous Gen Hyundai Sonata which I am not really a fan of. Not really a fan of the interior either, looks needlessly complicated to use. Keeping the 6 cylinder is nice especially with adding D4S DI and I read they went with a dual wishbone setup which is very interesting, in some ways the new Camry has a more advanced suspension and engine then the Lexus ES now.

 

I distinctly remember that at every FMC, no matter if it was a completely new platform or not, Toyota advertised that torsional rigidity increased some double-digit percentage.

 

You did not quote enough...

Toyota got rid of the rear Mac struts and replaced it with a double-wishbone.

 

A few limited-producton MazdaSpeed6 turbos were done over the years, but, for the most part, you are correct.....N/A only.

 

I'm sure they did to meet safety regulations but so has the prius and that went up by 60%. Basically what this means they brought the structural rigidity up to ES (with laser welds and glues and whatnot) levels or a bit more.

 

Strange. Maybe its my memory but I recall every new generation of Camry and Highlander introduction, I purposely look for info regarding structural changes and rigidity increases and I dont read anything in magazines. So I figured it wasnt worth mentioning.

 

yup, that's another great upgrade for the camry! looks like the bean counters were overruled for once!

 

Mac struts are often used on FWD vehicles where space-saving issues on the suspension are paramount. They save a significant amount of space, of course, because they combine the shock, spring, and bushing all into one single, compact unit. I often see the argument that Macs are used because of cost-cutting, but that is only partially true. Leaf springs are probably the cheapest way to go if cost and simplicity alone were an issue. But leaf springs take up a lot of space, and are best-suited for heavy loads....which is why you see them mostly on pickup trucks with live rear axles, and not on compact or mid-side sedans and coupes.

 

The front end looks lost. They keep forcing in mass market appeal into the front. This is their 3rd attempt to get it right with the camry.

the sonanta and optima both look much better.

the camry sales is officially finished.

 

2018 will be the last year of the Camry.

 

You're kidding right?

They could make the Camry look like the Flintstones car and it would sell 25k units a month.

 

Not for nothing but I think it looks great. I really like it, first time I really like a Camry lol. Too bad it's still front wheel drive

 

A bit off topic, but I have also been a raving fan of V6's vs. I4's. Probably the last 10 cars I've owned have had V6's (with a V8 Infiniti M45 thrown in for kicks), so I said I would never go with a 4-cylinder. That all changed when I test drove my '17 A4. The I4 with the turbo is not only smooth and quiet and has great torque, but the front end is less heavy so it feels very tossable. I think my A4 pretty much equals my '13 GS F Sport in performance... straight-line or otherwise.. even though that had a V6. Automakers are becoming much more sophisticated with their I4s and I no longer feel like I'm stepping down to own one.

Back on topic, I do think it is great selling feature that Toyota still offers a V6 in the Camry. They compete most closely with the Honda Accord, which also offers a V6. However, I think the vast majority of each of those cars will be sold with a 4-cylinder engine.