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Third gen GS has a ton of issues with rattles and creaking and popping. The 5th and 6th gen ESs contributed to a huge slide in interior material quality which was reversed with the MCR of the 6ES and the 7ES. Early LS460s had a lot of issues with melting interior dash components as an example, and overall the interiors made between say, 2006/2007 and 2013/2015 just don't have the same feel of supreme quality inside as they did before that.
Third gen GS has a ton of issues with rattles and creaking and popping. The 5th and 6th gen ESs contributed to a huge slide in interior material quality which was reversed with the MCR of the 6ES and the 7ES. Early LS460s had a lot of issues with melting interior dash components as an example, and overall the interiors made between say, 2006/2007 and 2013/2015 just don't have the same feel of supreme quality inside as they did before that.
Third gen GS has a ton of issues with rattles and creaking and popping. The 5th and 6th gen ESs contributed to a huge slide in interior material quality which was reversed with the MCR of the 6ES and the 7ES. Early LS460s had a lot of issues with melting interior dash components as an example, and overall the interiors made between say, 2006/2007 and 2013/2015 just don't have the same feel of supreme quality inside as they did before that.
You are about to feed trolls LOL. Like I had said, they did start to focus on other things. Namely power train and choices. The power trains in 05 that started with the first 2GR engine (Toyota first) was the first time their motors were above the competition. Toyota and Lexus were always offering good and competitive engines, but not class leading. . Lexus went from single zone climate control in 07 LX to four zone 08. Horses jumped by 110. Tow capacity increased substantially. That was just for the LX. So there are other factors to also look for.
Like I had said, they did start to focus on other things. Namely power train and choices. The power trains in 05 that started with the first 2GR engine (Toyota first) was the first time their motors were above the competition. Toyota and Lexus were always offering good and competitive engines, but not class leading. . Lexus went from single zone climate control in 07 LX to four zone 08. Horses jumped by 110. Tow capacity increased substantially. That was just for the LX. So there are other factors to also look for.
True, there are other factors under the skin.....no one is denying that. But the skin itself is also an important factor. If and when customers have to put up with tinny doors/sheet metal, squeaks/rattles, flimsy interior parts that wobble/loosen or break, or other signs of cost-cutting, that is something that they are going to notice every time they get in and out of the vehicle or drive it.
We were at a car show tonight. We are gonna add a couple. We argue you cannot appreciate this Cadillac interior unless you are viewing the car up close and in person.
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LS430 with the burnt wood edges, In black. Those CL/UL have interiors that almost feel hand built. A buddy of mine who flips cars had a CL, didn't realize what he had so he immediately flipped it. Big mistake. I tried to tell him. He's now DDing an ML, lol.
We were at a car show tonight. We are gonna add a couple.
We argue you cannot appreciate this Cadillac interior unless you are viewing the car up close and in person.
Thanks for posting.....hope you enjoyed the show. 1969/1970 Cadillac De Ville Convertible.......I remember it well. Second-largest V8 on the market at that time...a 472 cubic inch (7.7L) V8, second only to Cadillac's own 500 cubic inch V8 (8.2L) in the Eldorado. If you liked that interior (and, from your post, I take it you did)....the sister 1969/70 Buick Electra 225's interior, in some way, was just as plush-looking, if not more so (the Electra and Olds 98 were built on the same platform as the Cadillac DeVille).
BTW, that two-tone yellow/black sedan in the background looks like an early-to-mid 50s (can't tell exactly which year) Lincoln, and the two-tone green sedan a 1957 Oldsmobile 88 Holiday.
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Thanks for posting.....hope you enjoyed the show. 1969/1970 Cadillac De Ville Convertible.......I remember it well. Second-largest V8 on the market at that time...a 472 cubic inch (7.7L) V8, second only to Cadillac's own 500 cubic inch V8 (8.2L) in the Eldorado. If you liked that interior (and, from your post, I take it you did)....the sister 1969/70 Buick Electra 225's interior, in some way, was just as plush-looking, if not more so (the Electra and Olds 98 were built on the same platform as the Cadillac DeVille).
Not to go OT, but was there ever an era where that 500ci monster wasn't boggled down with emissions crap? 8.2 liters, good god I bet the torque was insane. I rode in a huge 70s Cadillac once in my youth and was blown away by how quick it was, have no idea what motor it had.
Not to go OT, but was there ever an era where that 500ci monster wasn't boggled down with emissions crap? 8.2 liters, good god I bet the torque was insane. I rode in a huge 70s Cadillac once in my youth and was blown away by how quick it was, have no idea what motor it had.
The first year (1970) for the 8.2L (500 c.i.) V8 got a respite before the 1970s emission standards began to kick in with lower compression ratios, low-lead fuel, hotter-running spark plugs, higher combustion temperatures, leaner fuel-mixtures, and retarded timing all began the Great Power-Drain. In 1970, the torque figure for the Eldorado's 8.2L was rated at 550 ft-lbs., but it was dragging a lot of weight and bulk (roughly 5000 lbs), albeit through a more efficient FWD driveline than the RWD in the rest of the Cadillac lineup.
BTW, not only engine power went down on the 1971 full-size GM cars, but, IMO, so did quality. The 1971s had thinner sheet metal, less-sturdy bumpers, much less solid-feeling doors, and noticeably cheaper materials inside and out. That was compensated for, to an extent, by the stunning looks of the new boat-tailed 1971 Buick Riviera.
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We were at a car show tonight. We are gonna add a couple. We argue you cannot appreciate this Cadillac interior unless you are viewing the car up close and in person.
Lol, nice ole school nostalgia. Love this car, also known as the Hunter S. Thompson - Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas car.
1969/1970 Cadillac De Ville Convertible.......I remember it well. Second-largest V8 on the market at that time...a 472 cubic inch (7.7L) V8, second only to Cadillac's own 500 cubic inch V8 (8.2L) in the Eldorado. If you liked that interior (and, from your post, I take it you did)....the sister 1969/70 Buick Electra 225's interior, in some way, was just as plush-looking, if not more so (the Electra and Olds 98 were built on the same platform as the Cadillac DeVille).
