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Old 08-17-16, 08:22 AM
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Default Camry Incentives Rise High as Toyota Chases 15th Consecutive Year on Top

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The Toyota Camry began a streak of 14 consecutive years as America’s best-selling car in 2002. Holding that number one position isn’t easy.

Toyota does not merely need the Camry to continue to live up to its reputation for reliability, and subsequently incite demand. Toyota also requires massive production capacity and a pricing scheme that matches production capacity to demand.

Demand in the United States for conventional midsize cars, however, is falling quickly. Year-to-date, overall midsize car volume is down 8 percent. In July 2016, midsize car sales fell 15 percent.

With a 2016 Camry now attempting to leave dealer lots as a five-year-old car, more than two years since its last refresh, Toyota’s desire for the Camry to maintain its high-volume nature and best-selling posture is now matched by a significant uptick in Camry incentives.

Toyota is now discounting Camrys 27-percent more than just one year ago, with an average incentive spend per Camry of $3,760 in July.

According to Autodata figures in this Automotive News article, Toyota has ramped up Camry incentives in nine of the last twelve months, from $2,969 per Camry in July 2015 to $3,459 in December 2015, to the peak of $3,760 per Camry last month.

Year-over-year, Toyota’s average incentive spend per Camry is also up 27 percent through the first seven months of 2016.




As Camry competitors similarly experience disappearing demand, incentives are the name of the game. The Camry is by no means an exception on that front.

Fiat Chrysler Automobiles’ clear out of the nearly discontinued Chrysler 200 (despite the 200 deemed uncompetitive by the collective consumer) puts a measure of pressure on cars such as the new Chevrolet Malibu. Select 2016 Malibu LTs are now advertised with a $4,143 cash back offer, for instance.

On August 10, Ford added $1,000 Smart Bonus Cash to the older half of Fusion stock, and even on some newly refreshed 2017 Ford Fusions.

Until a 26-percent July sales slide dropped it one place, the Nissan Altima was America’s second-best-selling midsize car in 2016. To spur demand, Nissan offers interest-free financing for six years with at least $500 in bonus cash.

The list goes on.

Despite the incentivization, Americans nevertheless purchased and leased 116,000 fewer midsize cars in the first seven months of 2016 than during the same period one year ago.

Toyota appears entirely unwilling to see the ageing Camry lose sales faster than the segment as a whole.

Year-to-date, Camry volume is down 8 percent, a loss of 20,369 sales in a category that is likewise down 8 percent inside a passenger car sector that’s down — you guessed it — 8 percent. The Camry’s 4,313-unit decline played a significant role in the month of July, specifically, as midsize volume plunged by 31,000 sales.

The upside is easy to locate in Toyota showrooms. With similar MSRPs, U.S. sales of the Toyota RAV4 are up 16 percent this year, a year-over-year gain of 27,487 sales, which more than counteracts the lost Camry volume.

The RAV4 isn’t simply keeping pace with growth in the SUV/crossover sector, either. Presently America’s top-selling utility vehicle, the RAV4’s 16-percent volume expansion comes as U.S. SUV/crossover sales grew 8 percent in the first seven months of 2016.

While TrueCar says buyers of the 2016 Toyota Camry XLE are paying 10-percent below MSRP, the 2016 Toyota RAV4 XLE AWD buyer nets only a 3-percent discount.

Through the end of July, the Toyota Camry holds an 11,090-unit lead over America’s second-best-selling car, the Honda Civic. At this stage of 2015, the Camry was 33,871 sales ahead of the next-best-selling car, Toyota’s own Corolla.

The Toyota Camry is by no means dying, but some of its competitors might. TTAC recently forecasted the demise of a number of midsize sedans; that the continued rise of two-row family crossovers will kill off more midsize cars until the segment stabilizes with an appropriate number of competitors.

The significant discounts applied to America’s perennial best-selling car, a midsize Toyota that wears its blue chip credentials on its sleeve, is more evidence of that eventuality.
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The Camry name should usually be enough for good sales without incentives. The fact that the new one is old, has 10 year old engines, and looks sub-par is the issue. The pre-refresh 2012-2014 model was a better looking vehicle than the current one.

Toyota will get it right on the next gen, lets just hope they don't let the powertrains age so much.
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
The Camry name should usually be enough for good sales without incentives. The fact that the new one is old, has 10 year old engines, and looks sub-par is the issue. The pre-refresh 2012-2014 model was a better looking vehicle than the current one.

Toyota will get it right on the next gen, lets just hope they don't let the powertrains age so much.
your comments ignore the fact that suv/cuvs are now massively outselling sedans and have been for a while. the family sedan is so yesterday.
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
your comments ignore the fact that suv/cuvs are now massively outselling sedans and have been for a while. the family sedan is so yesterday.
Exactly, Toyota should just pivot and get RAV4 to #1, but it might be hard with an all-new CR-V rapidly approaching, and CR-V has been #1 SUV/Crossover for a while now. I know RAV has a slight lead through July over the CR-V, but both are still a bit back of the Camry.
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
The Camry name should usually be enough for good sales without incentives. The fact that the new one is old, has 10 year old engines, and looks sub-par is the issue. The pre-refresh 2012-2014 model was a better looking vehicle than the current one.

Toyota will get it right on the next gen, lets just hope they don't let the powertrains age so much.
Why do car enthusiasts still, to this day, think that everyday car buyers actually care about the age of the engine?

They care about driving feel and gas mileage but definitely not what serial number is molded on the engine block.

Come on...
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Originally Posted by G Star
Why do car enthusiasts still, to this day, think that everyday car buyers actually care about the age of the engine?

They care about driving feel and gas mileage but definitely not what serial number is molded on the engine block.

Come on...
I have to agree. There's too much of this axiom in the auto world that seems to think that age alone is a reason for replacing a design. Compare, for instance, the Porsche 911 of 1964 with the Porsche 911 of today, and you will see that, though a number of things changed underneath, the skin remained basically the same shape for over a half-century.



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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
your comments ignore the fact that suv/cuvs are now massively outselling sedans and have been for a while. the family sedan is so yesterday.
What's yesterday are family wagons (at least in the American market), more so than family sedans. The SUV/CUV craze, from the early 90s on, all but finished drying up wagon sales here in the U.S......after minivans had started drying them up in the 1980s. But one has to remember that sedan buyers are usually NOT SUV buyers....nor the other way around. There are still different demographics between the two of them. And a number of AWD-equipped sedans has lessened the need to buy an SUV to get that handy bad-weather feature.....though SUVs still rule in ground clearance and cargo room over sedans. Gas mileage used to be an SUV issue, but the proliferation of CUVs, with small engines, has helped address that.
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The Camry has always been the all-around type of car and its popularity has to do with the fact that over time, it has gotten more and more refined. If you don't need that step-onto-the-seat CUV ride height or the extra cargo capacity for your Golden Retrievers, and country-craft antique trips, why bother with the extra large size?

The Camry is a great "check the boxes" car for people who don't need to be posers and buy fake boxy body CUV's and pretend they're in Africa on an expedition. If you haven't driven a Camry in the last 20 years, you'll be shocked at just how good it really is. Resale values prove this over time.

The only thing the Cam probably fell down on was not offering awd over the years, and being stubborn about it. Abandoning the wagon market to Subaru also proved a short sighted decision. You can't always listen to the critics and "flavor-flave" flavor-of-the month auto reviewers.

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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
your comments ignore the fact that suv/cuvs are now massively outselling sedans and have been for a while. the family sedan is so yesterday.
The quoted article states that also, if you get past the click-bait title.

Demand in the United States for conventional midsize cars, however, is falling quickly. Year-to-date, overall midsize car volume is down 8 percent. In July 2016, midsize car sales fell 15 percent.
As Camry competitors similarly experience disappearing demand, incentives are the name of the game. The Camry is by no means an exception on that front.

Fiat Chrysler Automobiles’ clear out of the nearly discontinued Chrysler 200 (despite the 200 deemed uncompetitive by the collective consumer) puts a measure of pressure on cars such as the new Chevrolet Malibu. Select 2016 Malibu LTs are now advertised with a $4,143 cash back offer, for instance [more than the $3,459 incentive on the Camry].
The Toyota Camry is by no means dying, but some of its competitors might. TTAC recently forecasted the demise of a number of midsize sedans; that the continued rise of two-row family crossovers will kill off more midsize cars until the segment stabilizes with an appropriate number of competitors."

Originally Posted by pbm317
Exactly, Toyota should just pivot and get RAV4 to #1, but it might be hard with an all-new CR-V rapidly approaching, and CR-V has been #1 SUV/Crossover for a while now. I know RAV has a slight lead through July over the CR-V, but both are still a bit back of the Camry.
Production of the RAV4 for North America is somewhat limited now but will increase greatly once Toyota moves all Corolla production out of the Toyota Motor Manufacturing Canada North Plant in Cambridge, Ontario and RAV4 production expands into that plant. That won't happen for a while yet, though.

Toyota also has the C-HR coming soon, which should help with supply of CUVs.


Originally Posted by G Star
Why do car enthusiasts still, to this day, think that everyday car buyers actually care about the age of the engine?

They care about driving feel and gas mileage but definitely not what serial number is molded on the engine block.

Come on...
Only car reviewers and members of online forums are worried about Toyota's "10 year old engines". Most people (buyers of Toyota cars) don't care because they don't understand; to most buyers, an engine is merely the big lump of metal in the front that automagically makes the car move down the road. There are also members of this forum who seemingly do not understand, believing that slapping a turbocharger on a "decades-old" engine makes it a new engine; or they have fallen for catchy names like "Earth Dreams" or "EcoBoost".

Despite their age, Toyota engines are still competitive and continue to provide excellent balance of power and economy, power and refinement, and power and reliability.
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Originally Posted by G Star
Why do car enthusiasts still, to this day, think that everyday car buyers actually care about the age of the engine?

They care about driving feel and gas mileage but definitely not what serial number is molded on the engine block.

Come on...
Yeah, Chevy made the small block v8 for 40 years before replacing it with the LS motors. It was(and still is) a great workhorse engine. People shopping for Camries, Rav4's, etc don't give a rat's *** about engine specs other than MPG.
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Originally Posted by MattyG
The Camry is a great "check the boxes" car for people who don't need to be posers and buy fake boxy body CUV's and pretend they're in Africa on an expedition. If you haven't driven a Camry in the last 20 years, you'll be shocked at just how good it really is. Resale values prove this over time.
There must be a reason why everyday car buyers call the Camry a luxury car. When I drove a Camry, friends accused me of driving a luxury car.

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The only thing the Cam probably fell down on was not offering awd over the years, and being stubborn about it. Abandoning the wagon market to Subaru also proved a short sighted decision. You can't always listen to the critics and "flavor-flave" flavor-of-the month auto reviewers.
I would like a Camry wagon but since Toyota will not sell me such a car (because Americans will not buy any car labelled as a station wagon), I will settle for a Camry Outback or Camry Allroad or Cross Camry.
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Originally Posted by Sulu

Only car reviewers and members of online forums are worried about Toyota's "10 year old engines". Most people (buyers of Toyota cars) don't care because they don't understand; to most buyers, an engine is merely the big lump of metal in the front that automagically makes the car move down the road. There are also members of this forum who seemingly do not understand, believing that slapping a turbocharger on a "decades-old" engine makes it a new engine; or they have fallen for catchy names like "Earth Dreams" or "EcoBoost".

Despite their age, Toyota engines are still competitive and continue to provide excellent balance of power and economy, power and refinement, and power and reliability.
Well said. This is especially true for the 'old' V6 in the Camry. Still class leading in all aspects.
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Believe it or not, if I wasn't spoiled with my GS430 and it's absurd torque/hp rwd chassis and all the rest, yeah - a good used Camry pre-spindle facelift would be quite fine by me.

Sulu. Yes why a good awd wagon didn't come out of the Camry line is beyond me. You would have seen far more of those than all those clapped out German wagons. My next door neighbor has a faded and over-used Camry sedan now. He had a MB SL which leaked its guts out all over the road and he sold it to some curbers/curbstoners. Nice car bad reliability.

There is a another guy about 10 blocks over, with... a Corolla AWD wagon in mint shape. You don't know how envious I am And of course my daily was a mid90's four door 2.2 liter auto. I would still have had it if it hadn't been totaled.
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
The Camry name should usually be enough for good sales without incentives. The fact that the new one is old, has 10 year old engines, and looks sub-par is the issue. The pre-refresh 2012-2014 model was a better looking vehicle than the current one.

Toyota will get it right on the next gen, lets just hope they don't let the powertrains age so much.
You are correct its got probably the oldest engines, looks like a bland old car however I betcha ya if ya talked to prospective buyers, they would have absolutely zero clue. The Camry is successful for being a zero maintenance car, with zero frills to its target audience. You can run that I assume, wih crap for oil or gas, and it`d probs chug along with little fuss. Its got some goodies like a hybrid offering for those who prefer to drive a prius without driving a prius, backup camera, Entune. I know a couple of people who picked up the last gen camry, and my god couldnt freaking stop praising the damn thing for the low res camera. Made it "futurisic". smh

Just like how most people come up with the iPhone as the go to smartphone, the camry is the go to car, next to the corolla. Household brands at this point

Anyways, its interesting Toyo has got to push some incentives on the camry, as usually most people say that toyo dealers never discount. Market forces at work. Once gas gets expensive, the normal balance is going to be restored.
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Originally Posted by coolsaber
I betcha ya if ya talked to prospective buyers, they would have absolutely zero clue.
And most of them wouldn't care. Camry buyers want (and get) a reliable appliance, not necessarily a state-of-the art powertrain.
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