Not at all, an aural symphony should be part of the experience.

BMW ruined the F82 M4 and F10 M5 for me when they didn't carry over the S65 V8 and S85 V10 respectively. The new cars might be more dynamic and modern but they lack soul.

 

bubba is gonna like dat

 

Besides the E60 no other ///M5 had a V10 so I don't see the big deal. My issue is with the overall isolation of the car due to its suspension and steering tuning. The E46 ///M3 also had an I6.

Sure the turbochargers have their cons but BMW did a nice job minimizing them. Unlike the steering and suspension tuning, I can't blame BMW for the engines they put b/c we live in an age where emissions regulations are tough and everybody is putting loads of HP in their cars. Showing up to the party without turbochargers like the GS-F = a huge HP and overall performance disadvantage.

 

The point is they raised the expectations too high, and when they did downsize it was meh. That V10 btw makes the 5-Series unique. Compare that to a 550i and M5 which both utilize a 4.4L unit albeit tuned differently. Not very special. And that E46 was NA, has a whole different symphony than the current turbo I6 (M4) which sounds like nails in a blender IMO. I don't blame them for it, they did what they had to do. But they contributed to some loss of soul. Don't get me started on a $150,000 i8 with a 3-cylinder

Cons like the HPFP failures. My brother in law had a 535i F10. I didn't come away impressed, lag was still there.

Let's shift focus back to the Raptor though. I agree with LOWFAST that something like a truck especially a truck with the prowess the Raptor does, you want a unique and burly note. At 450hp and 510lbft, the 3.5 EcoBoost seems very robust and plenty of twist to have some fun

 

If I won the lottery, I'd buy the last year's model Raptor. Glorious 6.2 V8 noises, hell yes. All steel body, hell yes. Take it to Rousch and put a whining *** supercharger on it for 590hp/590 lb-ft torque, hell yes.

V6 engine(yes I know its power output is awesome but sounds like poo IMO) plus aluminum body panels just equals total weak sauce to me. Give me steel and my damn V8 exhaust note if I'm going to be buying a "macho" truck, I don't care if the new model is lighter and faster. It doesn't sound right and the aluminum body work doesn't hold up as well under severe work/stress.

 

Isn't the new F150 aluminum bed is very fragile? So the last Gen Raptor would be much robust than this new one?

btw, the best truck motor is the one Dodge putting the Viper V10 in the Ram truck!

 

Not only that, but if you have a fender-bender or body work needed (which is certainly possible if you spend much time off-road, or even on-road), and, like with the aluminum-bodied Audi and Jaguars, you can't just take them to any body shop for repairs. The shop has to have special training, equipment, and certification for aluminum body work.

Ford ad stress that they use aircraft and military-grade aluminum for the panels, and that engineers have done long-term durability and impact-tests on the aluminum. How much truth there is to those ads, I can't say.

 

Well, Bubba......there's always a first time.

 

I just ordered a 2017 Raptor...Pretty excited about it! Took about 4 months to find a Ford dealership willing to cooperate and sell me one of their allocations at MSRP. Nearly every Ford dealership across the country is adding an additional $10K-25K+ markup on these!
I have a VIN assigned, but no build date scheduled yet, so it's looking like I won't have delivery until early next year.

 

oh awesome, congrats!

do you go offroad a lot? did you get supercab of supercrew?

 

I will probably never use the truck to it's full potential off-road, but it'll help to get to a few remote backpacking trails. I ordered the SuperCrew because it easily fits two child seats.

 

Congratulations.

Even with high demand and low supply, if you actually have enough funds in your bank account for a cash sale, and will write them a good check (that will not bounce), or a Cashier's Check, right there on the spot, some dealerships will drop that ADM nonsense and at least come down to list, if not an actual discount. That way, they know they will get their money, right up front, without any hassles or having to face the possibility of repossessing the vehicle later on from default on monthly payments.

Remember....they want your money as bad as you want that truck. Both sides sometimes have to compromise.

 

I have found that not to work in several instances, as dealers get commission from signing you up for a financing deal instead. It's not the dealer that repossesses the car, it's the creditor.

 

True, but it depends on who is actually doing the financing....whether a local bank or through a company-organization like Ford Credit or GMAC.

 

as TangoRed says, besides maybe saving the dealer some TIME in doing the deal (not having to do financing paper, etc.), and we all know they have lots of time, the dealer is NOT interested in a cash sale - they want every transaction financed as they make more money that way.