What are your alternatives to Lexus models?
 

My question then for you guys who don't like the current lexus:
Let's not go back to the old days since it's been well beaten up already and focus on what's current.

What other car would you buy/lease instead (as your counterpart)? There's no right or wrong answer.
It's what YOU would buy instead of the current lexus.

I'll take one example:

Don't like- Lexus ES
Like - Chevy Impala

Porsche Macan > Lexus RX

Planning on doing this switch in about two years. Size-wise, the Macan is probably better compared to the NX, and even then it easily wins with regards to performance and handling. Gets good ratings on dependability too. Will probably lease at first, as I am not sure the slightly smaller size will be OK for me, but it will be my daily driver and it will still have enough room for my three kids when I need it.

Jeep Grand Cherokee over the Lexus RX, Macan from viperdoc is nicer for the smaller/nimbler size class

Range Rover over the LX570

X5 over the GX460

S-Class over the LS460

Hyundai Genesis over the GS350

BMW 4 Series over the RC350

S3 over the IS350 (not exact size/price lineup)

None for me, because Lexus currently have no model that fits what I am looking for as my next new car purchase ......

Like you said, the Impala is a good choice, though the V6 version is much preferable. Other good choices are the Hyundai Genesis/Equus, Kia Cadenza/K900, Buick Regal/LaCrosse/Enclave, Cadillac CTS/ATS, Acura MDX, Acura RLX (the RLX is a good deal, and will probably sell at a steep discount), and Infiniti Q70.

Of these, if I was spending up to or slightly over 40K, I'd probably go with the Impala. Substantially more than 40K....the 5.0L Genesis, hands-down. The new Genesis, especially with the V8, has to be driven to be believed......it's THAT good. :thumbup: The Kia K900 and Hyundai Equus are excellent highway cruisers (if that is one's type of driving), and, because of relatively low demand, would probably sell at a steep discount, making either one a bargain.

the current RX wasn't for me (not quiet enough, interior not nice enough, old 6 speed auto)
like - Jeep Grand Cherokee upper trims (i got the summit)

rc350 looks rather bloated to me
4 series, a5/s5 - better looking imo

lx570 looks ancient
range rover is baller :p

gx460 looks funky, difficult options packaging
yukon denali, mercedes gl, audi q7, durango citadel, etc. all to me are more up to date

which begs the question, what are you looking for? :p

i thought it was a high end sedan or coupe?

Don't like the LS.
Bought 7 series.

My LS can still serve my need for a while yet and I think I've said I will keep it for a LONG time, that's why I pick LS over W221 S550.
So, it's a high end coupe or high power sports car that I am looking for(middle age crisis car :p) Lexus currently has none of these.

Infiniti Q70 (FX35) in lieu of RX, More HP, better handling. Hard to lose in parking lots! ;)

Bought a S550 instead of the LS. Looking at a S Coupe in the future unless Lexus resurrects the SC soon.

If the Tesla 70D or 85D were out when I was shopping for the GS, I probably would've swung the extra cash. Even now deliveries aren't slated until mid year

None, my LS430 will last my entire life time, I just have to keep changing timing belts :D

Don't you get tired yet? :D

has to suffice until he wins the lottery for his la ferrari :p

to me on the car specifically (without looking at price), none of the lexus models interest me except the lx570.

3/4 over IS/RC
5 over GS
s over LS
x5 over GX

i can't comment on ES and RX since i don't remotely see myself in that segment

now if price is also factored in, lexus gets a lot more attractive

I am tired of cars all together.

The only cars I am interested in now is a fully autonomous EV so I don't have to drive anymore, and an exotic screaming Italian spider for going to lunch on the beach on the weekend ;)

The next gen SC (or whatever else they call it) may just be the car for you :)

https://lexusenthusiast.com/2015/04/...ebut-next-year

Thank you to Paul for making this a separate thread.

This was merely a response to the other thread where if you're in lexus market or not since lots of people complained about the grille change, interior quality, stiffer suspension due to being more sporty...

One member said he'll pick the impala over the ES and that got me thinking.

Price is a factor otherwise, what would you be getting instead?

This is the first time ever that the RX has my attention. I'm deciding between the the RX or the NX (most likely leaning towards the NX since I don't want to lug the extra size around for the rx-I have a van for that:D)

I don't have the need for an LX.

I don't like the current 5 and the current X5.

I don't like the new S but I'm not in the market for a flagship either.

And like Andrew mentioned before about a high power sports car....lexus is sure dragging their feet for the LC:D

They have trademarked LC500 and LC500h, what about a LC F pushing 600hp or more ? Heard no mention of that ... I don't really desire a LC with the same engine as the RC F ;)

And if it's LS based as rumoured , it's likely not going to be light weight ........

Didnt like the LS, bought a Tesla Model S instead. Before that, didnt like the RX, bought a GLK350 instead. Thought about selling my Supra for a new IS, but who am i kidding? Lol

The LC won't be light weight at $100k~$140k

They already made a light weight LFA at $400k ;)

Consumer Reports also did. They gave the Impala a much higher road-test score. (I've driven both the Impala and ES myself, and I agree). I can't remember the last time Consumer Reports thought so highly of a GM car....it's been a LONG time. Some people, though, say they don't like the Impala's awkward-looking dash.

AMG GT-S, $130K, 500+ hp, around 3500#, I don't see why Lexus can't make the LC similar to that at even lower price, or with even higher hp, IF they really want to ??;)

My alternative to my former '13 GS F Sport would have likely been an Audi A7, but I decided to go for a coupe. So, my alternative to the RC350 F Sport was an Audi A5. I just can't warm up to the "hey, look at me" styling of the RC. Also hoping the SC replacement comes along soon and is a bit more "refined" in the stylling department.:D

In CAR CHAT? There's no such thing. :D;)

I will chime in on this. I am wanting a Lexus GS350 (really an GSF but too expensive). What other cars to consider? Audi a6, Mercedes e530, Infinity q70, BWM 535I (maybe Hundia Genesis) are all in the same category. I am looking at an RLX acura which fits in between a GS and an ES in my opinion.
IF you are looking for a ES you would be looking at the acura RLX, Nissan Maxima, Toyota Avalon
If you are looking at an IS you would want an Acura TLX, BWM 3 series, Mercedes C class.
If you are looking at the LS you will look at Mercedes S class, BMW 740, Audi a8,
There is a bad ass audi S7 used at the dealership but I don't have $97K for it.

Actually, Acura muddled the marketing-comparison somewhat by combining the former TL and TSX into one new TLX model. Before, the ES would have competed directly with the TL, and the GS with the RL or RLX. The IS would have competed with the TSX. But now, with the TSX gone, the IS doesn't have a direct Acura competitor (it's somewhere between the ILX and TLX), and the ES probably more closely competes with the TLX. The GS, IMO, not the ES, remains the closest Lexus equivalent to the RLX.

price included, then i choose gs (that's why i have one).

Not quite a fan of the ISF so I got the Boss 302.

Even though Lexus are great cars, I feel that they are a bit overpriced. There are many cars I'd choose before purchasing a new Lexus. I'd even cross shop them with Toyota and other brands. Again, just my opinion.

A Mercedes C400 is tempting, vs. even a new IS or GS. Still curvy and elegant, not to mention the gorgeous interior. I know the floating iPad styled navigation screen isn't for all parties, but I personally dig it.

I think if a lot of you guys checked out a new Hyundai Genesis, especially the 5.0, you would be stunned at the improvements over the former one.

Genesis Htrac 5.0 gets my vote too. I probably am getting one for my northern home in Canada.

Yes, you would have to get that in Canada.The HTrac 5.0 version is not available in the U.S (only the 3.8)....Hyundai claims it is because of American CAFE gas-mileage regulations.

I think the company that is currently offering the vehicles that are the most similar to the "traditional Lexus style" sedan is Hyundai with the Equus, Genesis & Kia K900.

my next car will likely be lightly used (up to 40k miles), since thats best tax wise around here... so other than IS300h or GS450h, I would get nicely equipped A5 Sportback or A6. All MB 2-3yr old cars are way too old in style and functionality, BMW is just too cold for me (i like 5 series but it is really huge fleet car around here with no personality), A5 or A6 seems to be right there where with decent equipment and wheels they look tight.


Sadly unless our tax laws change significantly in next year, I will end up with A5 or A6, since they are such huge fleet vehicles that their value drops like a stone in 2 years / 35k miles, and it is actually cheaper to buy used A6 than IS300h which is crazy.

Right now, for something like IS300h, with great CO2 output, I still have to spend 35% on taxes. GS450h is something like 55% taxes. Used to be until 2 years ago that I could write-off 70% of tax for business purposes and if that happens again, ever, i might get new IS300h facelift next year.

i am surprised that the tax on gs450h is that much higher than the is300h!

in a way though, i think audi used prices drop so much for a reason. i have no problem getting a used audi but at the same time i won't feel good keeping the car for long

yep, it is 35% vs 55%, partially due to CO2 (109g vs 143g) and partially due to higher purchase price.

If they reinstate tax reimbursement, it will come down to 11% tax, which is really not bad at all and "base" IS300h becomes very viable vehicle to purchase (they sell some mid spec level as base these days as a incentive)..

When it comes to Germans, right now in Germany where we import cars from, they have 15%-30% discount on every new vehicle thats on the lot. Thats what brings the resale down plus tax deductions for business users, so massive amount of these cars are sold like fleet - something like 70% is considered "fleet sales", up to 90% for some popular models.

Thats why used market is then flooded with them in 2-3 years and prices are just silly. Then you can afford well equipped A5 or A6 (both are base with cloth here so you have to spend extra 30% to make it decent enough) since the price is rock bottom.

I dont think Europe really considers German cars in same way as US, they have good reputation basically despite what every reliability report in Europe says, they are still considered "built like a tank". Of course, Japanese are considered well but Germans are not seen as negative.... French and Italian are seen as horrible even if sometimes BMW and VW models are rated worse in surveys.

Here are the alternatives i'd consider for few of the current Lexus models:

IS - new C class
ES - New Impala, RLX, Buick Lacrosse, Avalon, Camry XSE V6
GS - None
LS - New S class
NX - None

very interesting cultural difference, good to know! :thumbup:

Good point. I don't know, I just don't feel it will happen.

Maybe is because the M4 is 3600 lbs and the RC-F is 4000 lbs.....................