Lexus debuts 2016 GS F
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The 4GS had already gone thru half it's cycle hence the facelift, might as well wait until the next generation 5GS to make a serious attempt of GS F ...
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To me, the feeling of being let down is there because Lexus did provide an appropriate offering relative to the M4.
By not doing so against the M5, I am keep saying to myself, why can't they attack each segment with the same vigor.
By not doing so against the M5, I am keep saying to myself, why can't they attack each segment with the same vigor.
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I'm sure 500+ hp from the 5.0 isn't hard. High revving engines is a Yamaha forte. However, its a 2 ton vehicle and the available torque is already at the high end of the RPM range in its current tune and it made it feel slower than it really is even though it had more HP than its competitors, per RC-F reviews. It was the same thing in the IS-F, per Top Gear at least. I do agree it was lazy of Lexus to just drop the same engine into the GS-F as the RC-F especially when the GS will be a a class higher and costs more! At a minimum they could have slapped a small turbo on the thing to give it more low end torque and more HP.
I am disappointed that the engine is completely unchanged from the RC F, but more interested in total package driving impressions - handling, acceleration, braking, interior and exterior detailing, engine sound, etc.
I personally estimate we are looking at ~$70k base and ~$82k loaded. I expect it to have some more equipment standard over RC F, but if there is no carbon package and TVD is already standard... those are the two biggest options on RC F.
I personally estimate we are looking at ~$70k base and ~$82k loaded. I expect it to have some more equipment standard over RC F, but if there is no carbon package and TVD is already standard... those are the two biggest options on RC F.
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I am disappointed that the engine is completely unchanged from the RC F, but more interested in total package driving impressions - handling, acceleration, braking, interior and exterior detailing, engine sound, etc.
I personally estimate we are looking at ~$70k base and ~$82k loaded. I expect it to have some more equipment standard over RC F, but if there is no carbon package and TVD is already standard... those are the two biggest options on RC F.
I personally estimate we are looking at ~$70k base and ~$82k loaded. I expect it to have some more equipment standard over RC F, but if there is no carbon package and TVD is already standard... those are the two biggest options on RC F.
this isn't 1 person modding their car, this is making a globally certified vehicle with many party supply chain for parts, testing, etc. it's a hugely complex endeavor, even to change minor parts.
I personally estimate we are looking at ~$70k base and ~$82k loaded.
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Haha if you're looking for real driving impressions Jeremy Clarkson isn't your best source. Much of the other magazines, euro included, have mentioned that while it's not the sharpest tool in the shed its very easy to drive fast.
i've only driven the IS-F (not RC-F) but i found the IS-F to be much LESS satisfying to drive than the IS350 (or even IS250 F-Sport) because the IS-F is so nose heavy. it's immediately noticeable, hence the under steer. but in a straight line the IS-F is obviously quicker.
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smh. yeah it's not hard and they could just bore out the engine or slap on a small turbo.
this isn't 1 person modding their car, this is making a globally certified vehicle with many party supply chain for parts, testing, etc. it's a hugely complex endeavor, even to change minor parts.
this isn't 1 person modding their car, this is making a globally certified vehicle with many party supply chain for parts, testing, etc. it's a hugely complex endeavor, even to change minor parts.
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Also, not sure if it has been discussed but why doesn't Lexus put a DCT in the RC-F and GS-F? Is there some reason for this? Even the TLX has a DCT in it now.
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, before thispress release, all info are from magazine speculations and photoshops and camouflaged spy pics which could be just a face lifted F-Sport model ... if they plan it well, a 5GS F could come out just half a year after the regular 5 GS launch ...
Regarding turbos, Ferrari said it best:
"Immediate, predictable response is a requirement in any driver's car. Turbo lag cannot be eliminated."
Sure, you can make a car blast from 0-60, but it's power response during various technical turns does make a difference.
A driver's car is surely different than a dragster's car.
R&T Link
"Immediate, predictable response is a requirement in any driver's car. Turbo lag cannot be eliminated."
Sure, you can make a car blast from 0-60, but it's power response during various technical turns does make a difference.
A driver's car is surely different than a dragster's car.
R&T Link