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MPLexus301 07-04-14 07:12 AM

Lexus Unfazed by LS Decline as S Class, Model S Grow
 

Lexus Unfazed by LS Decline as S-Class, Tesla Model S Grow

WHISTLER, British Columbia – As Lexus LS sales founder this year under pressure from new entrants, the brand is not sweating the situation.

“We don’t feel it’s a problem with the car,” Brian Smith, vice president-marketing for Lexus in the U.S., tells WardsAuto here during a Lexus NX media event. “Many of the buyers in that segment want what’s new and they’re trying it.”

What’s new is the Mercedes-Benz S-Class, which is getting rave reviews and racking up the growth to show for them. S-Class sales rose 81.8% through May, to 6,381 units.

Sales of the LS, which was all-new in ’07 and last refreshed in ’13, were down in the same period, 19.7% to 2,149 units.

Smith also says the Tesla Model S is wooing buyers in the relatively small but influential Upper Luxury Car segment in the U.S.

“They’re right behind Mercedes in volume,” he says. WardsAuto estimates Model S sales tallied 4,600 units through May, down 6.2% from the same period year-ago.

Smith believes most S-Class sales are to brand loyalists who wait for a new generation of the sedan, but some LS buyers may be trying a Tesla.

“They’ll probably come back,” he says. “I think the question remains to be seen how many people will buy a second Tesla.”

As to whether the S-Class is a game-changer, as some in the auto industry are claiming, Smith believes the elements that make the Mercedes unique are not significant enough to sway LS buyers long-term.

“The things that I notice: the (pillow-like) headrests, the (scent) generator, the (LED interior) lighting, all that stuff is incremental improvements, but they’re certainly not game-changers,” he says, adding every entrant in the segment pretty much is now on even footing in terms of performance and handling and looking for ways to differentiate themselves.

When the refreshed LS debuted in ’13, Lexus executives expected the car’s segment to continue to see further decline, which this year hasn’t proved true.

Thanks to growth from the S-Class, as well as Audi’s A7 and the Porsche Panamera, WardsAuto Upper-Luxury Car sales rose 4.0% through May to 23,818 units.

However, in the LS’ launch year of 1990, Lexus sold 42,980 copies of the car.

Smaller luxury sedans, such as Lexus’ own ES and IS, continue to impact large-sedan sales, as does the growth in CUVs.

Smith believes the CUV trend is more of a result of product-cycle timing than a long-term shift by luxury buyers away from cars.

“As we get around to launching some new sedans, coupes, those kinds of products, it’s going to keep the car segment pretty strong,” he says.
http://wardsauto.com/auto-makers/lex...a-model-s-grow


With the brand new S Class out, and Model S being so well received, I am not particularly troubled by the drop off in LS sales this year. What does bother me is that if the rumors are to be believed, it won't be fully replaced until the 2017 model year.

Maybe Lexus is content to let the sales dwindle as they prepare for the new model, but I think it's going to start to tarnish the model's image if sales steadily drop to just a few hundred units a month over the next two years.

RNM GS3 07-04-14 07:57 AM

Besides reliability and overall build quality, there is no other reason to get an LS at this point.

All of its main competitors are superior in power, driving dynamics, luxury features, and customization.

Sclass, 7series, A8, XJ

yowps3 07-04-14 08:44 AM

I blame Lexus.

The LS used to be the pioneer for Lexus. The current LS is about 8yrs in its current form.

Toys4RJill 07-04-14 08:52 AM


Originally Posted by yowps3 (Post 8611573)
I blame Lexus.

The LS used to be the pioneer for Lexus. The current LS is about 8yrs in its current form.

I agree. Now that the sales figures are starting to show, it appears Lexus did make a mistake with the refresh of the LS. Even though it does have 3000 different parts.

I still love the current LS. I think it is a masterpiece in design, especially the incredible interior.

But, I have to admit when Lexus has faltered. The LS is sort of akin to the refreshed Tundra in the truck segment, it will appeal to the Toyota fans.

Lex2InfiN 07-04-14 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by LexsCTJill (Post 8611581)
I agree. Now that the sales figures are starting to show, it appears Lexus did make a mistake with the refresh of the LS. Even though it does have 3000 different parts.

I still love the current LS. I think it is a masterpiece in design, especially the incredible interior.

But, I have to admit when Lexus has faltered. The LS is sort of akin to the refreshed Tundra in the truck segment, it will appeal to the Toyota fans.

Its looks are aging somewhat though. I remember thinking "wow, the LS looks great" for years. Now I just think it looks "nice", but it doesn't quite standout anymore as much as some of the others do. To me, the Jaguar XJ is gorgeous and looks ultra luxurious. That car has amazing road presence. I also have a thing for the current 7 Series as I think the proportions are generally perfect (although I feel that way about pretty much all BMWs). So yea, it's probably time for a redesigned LS. 2017 would be too long of a wait in my opinion. They should have it out next year as a MY2016.

spwolf 07-04-14 12:31 PM

2014 LS looks pretty damn good... the segment is dying - just because Ward Auto added Panamera and A7 and Tesla S to it, doesnt meant it is not dying.

I would think that a lot of Tesla S buyers would never consider car like LS or S class. IMHO Panamera and A7 are not exactly the same class.

As to competition being better, obviously MB is all new, but LS can easily hold its own vs A8 and 7 series, as the sales numbers show - it outsold them all YTD.

BrickHead 07-04-14 12:46 PM

We have bought two LS in the past. I guess you can call us loyal Lexus fans. We love the Lexus reliability and wanted very much to get the 2013 LS when it was launched in late 2012. However, I have to be honest with you guys, the current LS looks so hideous! We hardly see any new LS around town. We have leased two MB GL450 in the past years. When/If Lexus designs a classy and nice looking LS we will come back to the Lexus family. Until then, we are Lexus expatriates :(

corradoMR2 07-04-14 12:48 PM

In extending the life out of the current gen with a 3000+ parts renewal in the '13 LS, this tells me one thing only. That Lexus is taking the necessary additional 3 years in perfecting the next gen LS.

MY '16 look out S-Class!

mmarshall 07-04-14 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
But, I have to admit when Lexus has faltered. The LS is sort of akin to the refreshed Tundra in the truck segment, it will appeal to the Toyota fans.


The difference, though, was that it took Toyota some 15 years to finally get their T-100/150 and Tundra larger-truck series suitable for the American market. The LS, in comparison, was (and is) a superbly-done vehicle, going all the way back to Day One, in 1990, when it was first introduced.

RXSF 07-04-14 01:39 PM

If you judge Tesla soley as a vehicle, I think very few people would buy a second one. When I rented one the first time, I was blown away by the electric drivetrain, the pull, and the novel center display screen. When I rented it a second time, I noticed severe wind noise from the front window seals, pretty bad wear in places, and rattles from the trunk/rear seats. Insideline's long term Model S has been far from flawless, with a few issues regarding the drive unit. Sure the electric car is very novel but I think it would wear off quickly due to these quality issues.

Since the Lexus vice president seems unfazed and says the new S class doesn't have game changers, lets see what they bring to the table. A car like the S class doesn't really need to be a game changer. Sometimes, the small things and details are what make the vehicle. Things as simple as Magic vision control ( the wiper blades that have the laser drilled holes for window washer fluid build it) are what make the S class so great.

Toys4RJill 07-04-14 02:09 PM


Originally Posted by RXSF (Post 8611830)
If you judge Tesla soley as a vehicle, I think very few people who buy a second one. When I rented one the first time, I was blown away by the electric drivetrain, the pull, and the novel center display screen. When I rented it a second time, I noticed severe wind noise from the front window seals, pretty bad wear in places, and rattles from the trunk/rear seats. Insideline's long term Model S has been far from flawless, with a few issues regarding the drive unit. Sure the electric car is very novel but I think it would wear off quickly due to these quality issues.

Since the Lexus vice president seems unfazed and says the new S class doesn't have game changers, lets see what they bring to the table. A car like the S class doesn't really need to be a game changer. Sometimes, the small things and details are what make the vehicle. Things as simple as Magic vision control ( the wiper blades that have the laser drilled holes for window washer fluid build it) are what make the S class so great.

I just hope Lexus does make the next LS as a hybrid only or something along those lines.

Toys4RJill 07-04-14 02:11 PM


Originally Posted by BrickHead (Post 8611784)
We have bought two LS in the past. I guess you can call us loyal Lexus fans. We love the Lexus reliability and wanted very much to get the 2013 LS when it was launched in late 2012. However, I have to be honest with you guys, the current LS looks so hideous! We hardly see any new LS around town. We have leased two MB GL450 in the past years. When/If Lexus redesigns a classy and nice looking LS we will get back in the Lexus family. Until then, we are Lexus expatriates :(

Sorry dude but the exterior/interior of the 13/14 LS blows the 07-13 bormobile out of the water.

BrickHead 07-04-14 03:46 PM


Originally Posted by LexsCTJill (Post 8611847)
Sorry dude but the exterior/interior of the 13/14 LS blows the 07-13 bormobile out of the water.

Unfortunately it's not reflected in the LS sales figure.;)

bitkahuna 07-04-14 06:28 PM


Originally Posted by spwolf (Post 8611768)
2014 LS looks pretty damn good... the segment is dying - just because Ward Auto added Panamera and A7 and Tesla S to it, doesnt meant it is not dying.

how do you mean the segment is dying? and why do you think this is?


I would think that a lot of Tesla S buyers would never consider car like LS or S class.
really? i think tesla s buyers would definitely be considering mb s class for uniqueness / prestige or 'wow' at the country club. :p as GREAT as the ls is, i still don't consider it in the same league as the s-class, and of course the ls is now old even with the extensive refresh.


IMHO Panamera and A7 are not exactly the same class.
why not? because they're fast back 4 door 'coupes'? apart from that, they're all big comfy sedans.

i personally think a big comfy sedan just isn't that great because if you want to haul more than 2 people around in comfort a luxury suv is way better.


Originally Posted by LexsCTJill (Post 8611845)
I just hope Lexus does make the next LS as a hybrid only or something along those lines.

huh? why do you hope that? unless they can make the hybrid aspect cheaper and less space intrusive... the LS600hL is an AMAZING car except for the paltry trunk space and staggering weight.


Originally Posted by LexsCTJill (Post 8611847)
Sorry dude but the exterior/interior of the 13/14 LS blows the 07-13 bormobile out of the water.

http://www.lexus.com/cm-img/gallery/...77-L461167.jpg

while this is a big step up from the older interior, there's several details i don't like. i REALLY don't like leather boots on auto shifters... they make no sense, look 'messy' to me, take up more room than necessary, and collect dust and dirt. the touch controller with 'arm rest' is HUUUUGE... takes up way too much center room. i'm sure things will be improved greatly with a new one though, and the LS ride is still wonderfully smooth and quiet. :thumbup:

bitkahuna 07-04-14 06:37 PM

edit, i did just find the the LS600hL DOES do away with the shifter leather boot... yay! :p that must be worth the $25k difference. :D

http://www.lexus.com/cm-img/gallery/...77-HLS-435.jpg


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