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Old 03-08-14, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by BrettJacks
I've lived in hot desert areas my entire life. If i have to wait in the car for something, I'm going to have leave the engine running and the A/C on. Anybody who has heart burn over seeing that will have to take some pepcid and deal with it, lol.
^^^I agree with this.

I just found about this recently as well............during our first family vacation in America.

We stayed at our relatives place (near Henderson, Nevada) and my Tito (which means 'Uncle') decided to bring us to bring my parents to Aria Resort and Casino.

Long story short, our 'tito' dropped my parents at the lobby while he proceed to an indoor parking lot connected to the hotel and we waited there.

He then turned off his cars engine.

Me and my brother felt really hot.........but we didn't wanna question our 'tito' (out of respect). For more than a hour, we had to bear the heat.

It was only then that I found out that in America, you are not allowed to keep a vehicle's engine on while waiting for long periods of time (aka anti-idling laws).

I also read that this applies to other first world and developed countries as well.

Oh well, the law is the law and I guess I just have to bear with it.

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With that said:

I HOPE THAT WE HAVE NONE OF THESE ANTI-IDLING LAWS HERE IN THE PHILIPPINES.

Because, A/C is VERY IMPORTANT in our hot and humid weather. No Filipino car owner will ever want to turn off the A/C.

I know I wouldn't
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Old 03-08-14, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Blackraven

^^^I agree with this.

I just found about this recently as well............during our first family vacation in America.

We stayed at our relatives place (near Henderson, Nevada) and my Tito (which means 'Uncle') decided to bring us to bring my parents to Aria Resort and Casino.

Long story short, our 'tito' dropped my parents at the lobby while he proceed to an indoor parking lot connected to the hotel and we waited there.

He then turned off his cars engine.

Me and my brother felt really hot.........but we didn't wanna question our 'tito' (out of respect). For more than a hour, we had to bear the heat.

It was only then that I found out that in America, you are not allowed to keep a vehicle's engine on while waiting for long periods of time (aka anti-idling laws).

I also read that this applies to other first world and developed countries as well.

Oh well, the law is the law and I guess I just have to bear with it.

P.S.
With that said:

I HOPE THAT WE HAVE NONE OF THESE ANTI-IDLING LAWS HERE IN THE PHILIPPINES.

Because, A/C is VERY IMPORTANT in our hot and humid weather. No Filipino car owner will ever want to turn off the A/C.

I know I wouldn't
I hear you there. I spent two years in Pangasinan and La Union. It's way to hot and humid there. I never had a car or a house with A/C while i was there though.

Anti-idling laws are a state by state thing here. I didn't know it was illegal here in Nevada. I idle my car in Vegas. I don't know if it is illegal back in Utah. I don't think it's really enforced though.

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Old 03-08-14, 05:01 PM
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Just today went to a restaurant for lunch with my wife and parked next to an older Silverado with the engine running. No one in the car but 2 little dogs. While it's nice for him to leave the ac for the dogs that car stayed for 1 hour idling in the parking lot and when we left the car stayed there, god knows for how long.
That crap eats gas , it's a gas guzzler V8 as I know. People are complete retards.
They know they have their dogs with find another way to have your lunch, don;t leave the car for more than an hour idling in the parking lot.
I wish I had this sticker to put it in his window.
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Old 03-08-14, 08:42 PM
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Not only is excessive idling unnecessary, but it is wasteful, polluting and increases the risk that a car will be stolen. Several Ontario, Canada cities now have anti-idling bylaws.

I once overheard the following between a Toronto (Canada's largest city) police officer and his counterpart from the Peel (western Toronto suburb) Regional Police: The Toronto cop noticed that the Peel cop left his squad car idling while inside a fire station, and stated that if he did that in Toronto, the car would be quickly stolen.

Regarding automatic stop-start systems in new cars (aka "mild hybrid" systems): The starters used in these vehicles are not the usual starters used in 'normal' vehicles; they have been beefed up to handle the more frequent use. Mazda's i-Stop system does not even use the starter to restart the car. When automatically shut down, the computer notes which piston is in the best position to be able to restart the car (in the combustion cycle, with air and fuel in the cylinder); when it restarts, that cylinder is ignited and the motion of the piston restarts the engine.

And as 'normal' cars start to adopt and adapt more technology from hybrid vehicles, including running more accessories on electrical (battery) power, it may not be long before we start seeing normal car air conditioning systems (compressors) running off the battery rather than off a belt from the engine; that will allow the A/C to run even if the engine is off (as is done in the latest, 'beltless' Prius). You won't need to idle the car just to run the A/C.


Should you warm up your car before driving it? It’s one of the more heated winter-driving debate topics, but experts say it’s a throwback to the days of carburetors. If you’re an old-school idler, here’s why you might want to rethink your position:

It’s unnecessary: Modern fuel injection, which eliminated carburetors and chokes, is much more efficient. With newer cars, the only reason to let the car idle is to get the oil circulating, but after 30 seconds that’s taken care of. Idle any longer than that, and you’re just wasting fuel and adding to greenhouse gases.

It’s inefficient: According to the Hinkle Charitable Foundation’s Anti-Idling Primer, idling forces an engine “to operate in a very inefficient and gasoline-rich mode that, over time, can degrade the engine’s performance and reduce mileage.”
Source: Toronto Star Wheels

FACTS

1. Idling gets you nowhere -– and it can be costly. Excessive idling wastes a significant amount of fuel and money and generates needless greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions. If drivers of light-duty vehicles avoided idling by just three minutes a day, over the year Canadians would collectively save 630 million litres of fuel and 1.4 million tonnes of carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions, and $850.5 million in fuel costs [at current fuel cost of $1.35/L).

2. Warming up the vehicle means more than warming the engine. The tires, transmission, wheel bearings and other moving parts also need to be warmed up for the vehicle to perform well. Most of these parts don't begin to warm up until you drive the vehicle.

MYTHS
Myth #1: The engine should be warmed up before driving.

Reality: Contrary to popular belief, excessive idling is not an effective way to warm up your vehicle, even in cold weather. The best way to warm it up is to drive it. In fact, with today's computer-controlled engines, even on cold winter days, no more than two to three minutes of idling is usually enough warm-up time before starting to drive. This also reduces fuel consumption and GHG emissions.

Myth #2: Idling is good for your engine.

Reality: Excessive idling can actually damage your engine components, including cylinders, spark plugs and exhaust systems.

Myth #3: Shutting off and restarting your vehicle is hard on the engine and uses more gas than if you leave it running.

Reality: Any more than ten seconds of idling uses more fuel than is required to restart the engine. However, the break-even time to offset any potential incremental maintenance costs to the starter or battery is under 60 seconds. So, as a guideline, if you're stopped for more than 60 seconds -– except in traffic -– turn off the engine.
Source: City of Mississauga

[Peel Regional Police spokesperson] adds that warm-up theft is normal during the winter months, but the extended deep cold this year has created a heated climate for car abductions.
Source: Mississauga News
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Old 03-08-14, 09:41 PM
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Stop start is useless. When the car stops the lights & accessories are all running while the engine is off. That's a dumb system.

Also the starters are not 'beefed up' they are the same starter.
Hybrids can stop & start because they have massive battery packs.

Your average car only has a 12v battery LOL
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Old 03-08-14, 09:45 PM
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in other news, the forecast for mississauga shows a high of 12F (-11C) on thursday. try sitting in a car for a while without the heat going.
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Originally Posted by yowps3
Stop start is useless. When the car stops the lights & accessories are all running while the engine is off. That's a dumb system.
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How is that a dumb system?
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Old 03-09-14, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by keyframe13
How is that a dumb system?
I guess in cities with lots of stop and go traffic, you'd be draining the battery faster than you could charge it, between running your accessories and starting the engine back up.
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Old 03-09-14, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by yowps3
Stop start is useless. When the car stops the lights & accessories are all running while the engine is off. That's a dumb system.

Also the starters are not 'beefed up' they are the same starter.
Hybrids can stop & start because they have massive battery packs.

Your average car only has a 12v battery LOL
Any links to this information?
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Old 03-09-14, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by BrettJacks
I guess in cities with lots of stop and go traffic, you'd be draining the battery faster than you could charge it, between running your accessories and starting the engine back up.
Cars with that system have two batteries, one of them is especially to keep the AC, radio, light and all the accessories on. This battery is pressurized for a greater power density.. Plus the technology it's been around for over a decade. I think all manufactures uld adopt that technology in future.

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Old 03-09-14, 05:07 PM
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Good thing I own a GSh, electric AC compressor, Auto engine shut off etc.... Since I'm saving the world not idling one drive thru at a time I guess you guys can say I'm a super hero

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Originally Posted by ARISTOh
Good thing I own a GSh, electric AC compressor, Auto engine shut off etc.... Since I'm saving the world not idling one drive thru at a time I guess you guys can say a super hero
And I'm Lex Luthor, lol......I wasted tons of gas in my LS400. Usually at least one drive-thru wait a day.
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Old 03-09-14, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by keyframe13
i hate people who do this in front of a store for minutes in the parking lot. Like it's so hard to move their *** outside and wait. Or in the driveway while waiting for the meal to get ready, that's a 10 min wait ...but USA is build like that on waste and consumerism. If the gas was more expensive they'll be more considerate.


I completely agree with this statement (particularly the bolded section). Although I can't say that I agree that folks would be more considerate if gas was more expensive. Mainly bc it would just cause/give them something more to complain about and then continue with their wasteful and consumable behavior Still a good point though.
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