The reality of hitting 200k miles...
#16
I think many of the more reliable model cars (mostly Japanese) we see on the road from the 80's 90's and 00's will continue to roll until there is a drastic change in fuel type, not only the powertrain, but all the accessories still working good as well.
As far as new cars today I believe the 200k mark is the new 100k mark, for any make/model. 300k, 400k, 500k are the new milestones to reach, which again, mainly Japanese models are reaching that very easily (yodas and hondas) I would be hesitant to try and run some of the domestics to that 200k mark or more without selling or trading in.
As far as new cars today I believe the 200k mark is the new 100k mark, for any make/model. 300k, 400k, 500k are the new milestones to reach, which again, mainly Japanese models are reaching that very easily (yodas and hondas) I would be hesitant to try and run some of the domestics to that 200k mark or more without selling or trading in.
Last edited by Marklouis; 03-04-14 at 08:27 AM.
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10 cars most likely to go 200,000 miles
By Jim Travers
19 hours ago
Consumer Reports via Yahoo News Link
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By Jim Travers
19 hours ago
Consumer Reports via Yahoo News Link
"Three of these kids belong together. Three of these kids are all the same. But one of these kids do not belong here..."
For many shoppers, choosing a car that can go the distance is an important way to save money. A new study approaches the concept of longevity from an interesting angle, focusing on models that have achieved 200,000 miles.
Put together by the data aggregator iSeeCars.com, the study was based on listings for 30 million vehicles advertised for sale during the last year. Looking at the model years 1981 to 2010, the company ranked those vehicles based on the percentage that achieved the impressive 200,000-mile mark. Not surprising, most were vehicles that also have had good reliability rankings in our annual owner surveys.
We want to be clear that iSeeCars makes no claims about the cars' current condition or about the reliability of these vehicles over time, simply that they’re still on the road.
Here’s the iSeeCars list, in order of most to least ads featuring cars with more than 200,000 miles.
Interestingly, the iSeeCars list is made up almost entirely of mainstream sedans, with the only exceptions being the Honda Odyssey minivan and Subaru Outback wagon—although Subaru has offered a low-selling Outback sedan in the past.
These are all vehicles purchased for everyday use and family duty, and not sophisticated luxury models laden with electronic features or vehicles designed for extreme performance or heavy towing. Notably, all but the Taurus are Japanese models. And no European brands made the list.
Our own annual autos reliability survey of more than a million vehicles routinely finds that some of these vehicles, including the TL, Avalon, Camry, and Civic, are reliability all-stars, with many years of very good or better scores. It is worth noting that while the Civic has a long track record of reliability, for certain years, the Civic Hybrid has developed significant battery pack failure rates.
The list doesn’t include some cars, such as the Toyota Prius, that have excellent reliability. It could be that the Prius hasn’t reached that mileage in great volumes, and it could also mean that owners aren’t ready to sell yet. (Read: “Hybrids Hang Tough as the Miles Rack Up.”)
In its recently published study of all vehicles, iSeeCars found that the models most likely to be advertised with more than 200,000 miles overall were overwhelmingly work trucks and large SUVs, with the Ford F-250 leading the pack.
But most large SUVs have not performed as well in our reliability surveys as pickups. The Chevrolet Suburban and GMC Yukon, Dodge Durango, Ford Expedition, Jeep Grand Cherokee, and Lincoln Navigator cited in the study have all had sub-par reliability most years in our surveys. The Toyota Sequoia is an exception, landing in second place in the iSeeCars study and with a solid reliability record in our surveys.
The prevalence of trucks may be due to several factors, including: commercial users are diligent about maintenance and willing to make major repairs, and acceptance of a truck in rough condition that would have seen a regular car retired. For these reasons, we requested this special view of passenger cars from iSeeCars to inform consumers.
In the end, its data largely aligns with our own findings. Whether you’re looking for a car, truck, or SUV that’s good for the long haul, the best bet is to choose a model with a solid reliability record and keep up with regular maintenance.
—Jim Travers
Put together by the data aggregator iSeeCars.com, the study was based on listings for 30 million vehicles advertised for sale during the last year. Looking at the model years 1981 to 2010, the company ranked those vehicles based on the percentage that achieved the impressive 200,000-mile mark. Not surprising, most were vehicles that also have had good reliability rankings in our annual owner surveys.
We want to be clear that iSeeCars makes no claims about the cars' current condition or about the reliability of these vehicles over time, simply that they’re still on the road.
Here’s the iSeeCars list, in order of most to least ads featuring cars with more than 200,000 miles.
- Honda Accord
- Subaru Legacy
- Toyota Avalon
- Honda Odyssey
- Nissan Maxima
- Toyota Camry
- Ford Taurus
- Honda Civic
- Acura TL
- Subaru Outback
Interestingly, the iSeeCars list is made up almost entirely of mainstream sedans, with the only exceptions being the Honda Odyssey minivan and Subaru Outback wagon—although Subaru has offered a low-selling Outback sedan in the past.
These are all vehicles purchased for everyday use and family duty, and not sophisticated luxury models laden with electronic features or vehicles designed for extreme performance or heavy towing. Notably, all but the Taurus are Japanese models. And no European brands made the list.
Our own annual autos reliability survey of more than a million vehicles routinely finds that some of these vehicles, including the TL, Avalon, Camry, and Civic, are reliability all-stars, with many years of very good or better scores. It is worth noting that while the Civic has a long track record of reliability, for certain years, the Civic Hybrid has developed significant battery pack failure rates.
The list doesn’t include some cars, such as the Toyota Prius, that have excellent reliability. It could be that the Prius hasn’t reached that mileage in great volumes, and it could also mean that owners aren’t ready to sell yet. (Read: “Hybrids Hang Tough as the Miles Rack Up.”)
In its recently published study of all vehicles, iSeeCars found that the models most likely to be advertised with more than 200,000 miles overall were overwhelmingly work trucks and large SUVs, with the Ford F-250 leading the pack.
But most large SUVs have not performed as well in our reliability surveys as pickups. The Chevrolet Suburban and GMC Yukon, Dodge Durango, Ford Expedition, Jeep Grand Cherokee, and Lincoln Navigator cited in the study have all had sub-par reliability most years in our surveys. The Toyota Sequoia is an exception, landing in second place in the iSeeCars study and with a solid reliability record in our surveys.
The prevalence of trucks may be due to several factors, including: commercial users are diligent about maintenance and willing to make major repairs, and acceptance of a truck in rough condition that would have seen a regular car retired. For these reasons, we requested this special view of passenger cars from iSeeCars to inform consumers.
In the end, its data largely aligns with our own findings. Whether you’re looking for a car, truck, or SUV that’s good for the long haul, the best bet is to choose a model with a solid reliability record and keep up with regular maintenance.
—Jim Travers
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When selecting a beater for daily commuting, I'm a little skeptical of any car with "performance" options - like a turbo or a 5-spd. While either option itself shouldn't produce excess wear in the engine, the owner's selection of such an option may point to ownership by someone who may have abused the vehicle. That's a major reason when buying a beater, I've gone for a minivan with an automatic. There's not a much of a chance they've been involved in many stoplight grands prix, and teenagers would rather walk on hot coals than be seen in a mommyvan.
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Older Nissan Maximas had no problems hitting 200k miles easily. The modern Nissans under French ownership aren't nearly as good. My 1999 Maxima was still a perfectly good car at 160,000 miles when I got rid of it. I just didn't have the time nor the patience to keep up with the little annoying sensor issues and other things, so passed it on.
#22
I found a Saturn with 695,000 miles on it
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...gIndex=4&Log=0
Other top cars I found in the 600k and up range were'
Honda
Dodge
Cadillac
Mazda
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...gIndex=4&Log=0
Other top cars I found in the 600k and up range were'
Honda
Dodge
Cadillac
Mazda
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With proper care and timely service, a LOT of cars reach that 200K mark - and beyond. It's not so much the initial quality of the car, but the care with which it is driven and the service it receives. Today we're too eager to trade off a car with engine or transmission issues when most can be fairly easily repaired by a competent mechanic. Then a few are just pure evil. We had a year old and much unloved Pinto wagon in our company fleet that attempted to kill a couple of its assignees by the electrical system doing it's Lucas imitation at speed on a crowded Interstate. After it was abandoned at the side of the road, I as de-facto fleet manager for our Houston office took it to the dealer for repairs. Two days later a front brake rotor seized and it put me into a telephone pole at 45 mph. Hah! Missed!!! Junked it out. So long, Christine!
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I gave my '97 Nissan Maxima to my Dad as his daily beater in 2007 with 225k on the ODO. Fast forward to 2014 and the car now has 325k with the same parts in the engine bay. Some leaks here and there, including the radiator, but the car still runs solid. My younger brother has a 2002 Maxima as well and he's broken the 200k barrier with the same factory parts. Got himself a nice '13 TL SHAWD as a replacement, but still uses the Max for his daily commute ~60mi roundtrip.
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Heard people say RX300 has one of the worse V6 engines, my parents still has it. Beat the crap out of it everyday with poor maintenance. Replace all 4 struts/springs twice, still go strong at 270K miles.
My friends' brand new Range Rover Sport and Vogue failed 1 week and 5 months, respectively.
My friends' brand new Range Rover Sport and Vogue failed 1 week and 5 months, respectively.
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How reliable are the Crown Vics & Lincoln Town Cars that we see? I was browsing for used town cars one night & seen anywhere from 300-500k in mileage, although I'm not sure how many trannies they went through or how many parts were replaced to get it to that mileage. Also I been seeing Prius's up there in mileage as well, in the 200-300k range.
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How reliable are the Crown Vics & Lincoln Town Cars that we see? I was browsing for used town cars one night & seen anywhere from 300-500k in mileage, although I'm not sure how many trannies they went through or how many parts were replaced to get it to that mileage. Also I been seeing Prius's up there in mileage as well, in the 200-300k range.
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Heard people say RX300 has one of the worse V6 engines, my parents still has it. Beat the crap out of it everyday with poor maintenance. Replace all 4 struts/springs twice, still go strong at 270K miles.
My friends' brand new Range Rover Sport and Vogue failed 1 week and 5 months, respectively.
My friends' brand new Range Rover Sport and Vogue failed 1 week and 5 months, respectively.
IMO Toyota should have just advocated 5,000 mile oil changes across the board for every engine, it would have totally let them off the hook for the oil sludge problem.
#29
I don't agree that all modern cars are capable of hitting 200k. Many of my college buddies are now working in the Detroit auto industry and tell me that often times, the Big 3 will have much lower part quality specifications, cost limits, and budgets for testing than Honda/Toyota. In most cases, Big 3 autos simply aren't designed to last as long.
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a lot (most) depends on how a vehicle is driven and maintained.
there's no reason every new vehicle built today can't go 200k
personally i'd get bored of a vehicle way before 200k.
there's no reason every new vehicle built today can't go 200k
personally i'd get bored of a vehicle way before 200k.