http://www.worldcarfans.com/11403107...oduction-could

I don't know if this report is accurate. I'm just sharing news I found so please do not shoot the messenger

 

I really hope not
I don't want bmw touching this beauty.

BMW can colloborate with toyota on the upcoming roadster/Z4 like other articles have mentioned.

 

Why would you not want BMW assisting bring this to market? Toyota currently doesn't have a platform that could build the FT-1 as it was presented. But if it the business case could be attained through this collaboration, why not? BMW still has some great suspension and chassis control tuning (just spent a long weekend in the M235i and it was pretty phenomenal), and the power from their turbo inline 6's is both effortless and ferocious. The latest 8 speed auto BMW is using also feels pretty close to a dual clutch manual gearbox. I'd welcome any/all of these into a Toyota, of course with some added Toyota reliability brewed in (hopefully it doesn't neuter the car too badly).

 

I too would rather the Supra to be a pure bread. The supra is Toyota's halo car. I really don't think they need any help suspension/chassis wise. Just look at how well the 4GS and 3IS handle.

 

While I would love for a Supra/Supra successor to be uniquely Toyota, I would rather have a BMW collaborated model than no model at all.

 

I'm just hoping we can have both. (not crossing fingers though)

 

Hope Supra is made in-house. I'm surprised people think Toyota can't make a sport car by themselves. Look at what they have done to IS/GS/"RC?", they drive better than BMW counterparts. They also have a good platform to base off.

 

Toyota can make a car by themselves, but the huge investment needed for these low volume projects can be hard to stomach for conservative Toyota.

While the IS/GS/RC are doing well vs their mainstream trim counterparts, I think the full "M" editions, as well as Audi RS, Mercedes AMG, still offer something that Toyota struggles to achieve.

 

Why do you think GM make Corvette in-house, not jointly developed with other company? It's pride, and they still make money with little sales.

Tell me what F model from Lexus is not comparable to German counterparts? F just established in 2008, and it also has 3 models.

Edit: Aren't those RS, AMG, M cars based on bland mobiles they sell?

 

GM projects get funded by the immense profit it gets from its truck lines. Toyota doesn't make nearly that much on its trucks, nor does it sell anywhere near the volume of those trucks.

The IS-F, which did get incrementally better each year, was still not quite the equivalent of the BMW M3 in terms of a complete package. Being able to offer adjustable suspension, drive modes, and other technologies that the BMW does. BMW offering a full manual (which they will continue to do with at least this new gen M3/M4), body/structure rigidity and mass savings. I understand the IS-F was the bit of skunkworks projects, but RC-F, built from the ground up with this variant in mind, will be quite heavy, and still not achieve the structural rigidity of the M4, and the M4 can still maintain the 60/40 split fold rear seats, where the RC F needs to fill that space with additional structural bracing.

Toyota is first and foremost a manufacturing company. I think BMW, Porsche, and to some extent Honda and GM are a bit more focused on engineering aspects.

 

No, but they do seem to make it up in volume of passenger sedans/wagons. + They're supposed to have some massive cash reserve.

Gotta love looms and textiles

 

Yah the $40 Billion that Akio is sitting on and refuses to invest in additional engineering headcount when the company is running thin on nearly every project going on right now, hence the slow to develop new powertrains, new body stamping investments, etc. The conservative nature, bolstering for whatever next down cycle, is what crushes the ability to develop truly amazing products and get them to market when the demand is hot. That plus old world design requirements for gravel roads that push wheels super far inward from the side of the body, taking away from presence/stance. But I digress.

 

Maybe he likes to sit



But in all seriousness he should invest it or at least part of it. I wonder if he's saving it for a rainy day for emergencies like another massive recall or natural disater perhaps?

 

well GM sales a good number of vettes. ill be surprised if toyota can do 1/4 of that.

2005: 32,489
2006: 36,518
2007: 33,685
2008: 26,971
2009: 13,934
2010: 12,624
2011: 13,164
2012: 14,132
2013: 17,291

and lets not forget that Toyota teamed up with Subaru to make the 86/FRS/BRZ. i believe even the engine of the LFA was outsourced to Yamaha. this is still Toyota after all. they will find the fastest and cheapest way to bring FT-1 onto the market.

 

Yessir it was, but that's not a bad thing. Yamaha and Yamaha Motor Company know a thing about motorsports (and acoustics). They actually had a hand in the Toyota 2000GT in '67, engine in the 99-2006 Celica GT-S, the awesome Ford SHO engines 3.0 and 3.2L sixes and later a 3.4L V8 in the Taurus, and the 4.4L V8 for Volvo. British sportscar maker Noble uses a twin turbo version of that 4.4L V8 in their M600