The US is keeping the stick shift Porsche alive
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I'll say it and prepare to be dogpiled - the love for manuals is nothing more than nostalgia. In fact, it's a perfect definition of the word. The manual transmission is now inferior in just about every way, and the only reason people choose them is due to a "feeling that a sports car should HAVE A MANUAL."
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Drive a Ferrari 458 (I have on a track) there is no way a manual can keep up with one not in its wildest dreams.
nowadays you wanting to "feel" the car will get you defeated in races. My first two cars are manual, they were better than autos back then for mpg and performance but with the advent of these newer transmissions, manual is inferior from a performance standpoint. I'll shoot a bolt action rifle if I want nostalgia and to feel a gun but I will run to a semi auto when I need to. Manual is a beneficial skill to learn but with current technology it is not king anymore
nowadays you wanting to "feel" the car will get you defeated in races. My first two cars are manual, they were better than autos back then for mpg and performance but with the advent of these newer transmissions, manual is inferior from a performance standpoint. I'll shoot a bolt action rifle if I want nostalgia and to feel a gun but I will run to a semi auto when I need to. Manual is a beneficial skill to learn but with current technology it is not king anymore
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I could not imagine driving with a slushbox in any Vette, 911, Cayman, Boxster, 370Z, 350Z, Miata, FR-S, BRZ, etc etc. Gives you a waay more direct connection to the car IMO.
...another reason I love the Z06 and ZR1 -- MN6 only!!!!!
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I'll say it and prepare to be dogpiled - the love for manuals is nothing more than nostalgia. In fact, it's a perfect definition of the word. The manual transmission is now inferior in just about every way, and the only reason people choose them is due to a "feeling that a sports car should HAVE A MANUAL."
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Like I said, I agree that manuals are obsolete now, however the drivetrain control is there. think about braking, how much extra are you spending per life of car for brake pads? I know I took a new car all the way to 150k miles with the stock brake pads on a manual car, but the most I ever got from brake pads with an auto is 60k.
since I covered feel already I will jump into control. deals gap is a perfect example actually. I rode it many many times and found that second gear was always best as you can rev out the full rpm range. this type of driving would be impossible without a clutch due to when you enter a turn just a little too hot and you can "phase" down to the next gear vs the flappy padals which would drop it immediately into the lower gear. Plus, I dont trust a computer just yet on "proper launch control" how the hell is the computer going to know the exact conditions I am trying to launch on? is there a sensor dragging along the road surface to tell the ECU that we switched from asphalt to concrete? or how about when going from wet road to ice road. I sure as hell would want a clutch for going over a bridge in 32* weather.
now this is my opinion. call me old if you like, call me a control freak too, I just prefer to have four limbs working in conjunction to achieve a goal.
since I covered feel already I will jump into control. deals gap is a perfect example actually. I rode it many many times and found that second gear was always best as you can rev out the full rpm range. this type of driving would be impossible without a clutch due to when you enter a turn just a little too hot and you can "phase" down to the next gear vs the flappy padals which would drop it immediately into the lower gear. Plus, I dont trust a computer just yet on "proper launch control" how the hell is the computer going to know the exact conditions I am trying to launch on? is there a sensor dragging along the road surface to tell the ECU that we switched from asphalt to concrete? or how about when going from wet road to ice road. I sure as hell would want a clutch for going over a bridge in 32* weather.
now this is my opinion. call me old if you like, call me a control freak too, I just prefer to have four limbs working in conjunction to achieve a goal.
#21
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I understand that an automatic will outperform a manual nowadays, but frankly I don't give a damn. I don't race or go to the track. I just want something that is fun to drive, and automatics are not, IMO. I absolutely abhor the way the 4 speed in my LS shifts. I have it for sale right now, and I'm trying to find a good car with a manual transmission for my next one.
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problem for me is most people can't drive a stick smoothly, so i pretty much get ill as a passenger from all the jerking around.
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