Comparison: Hyundai Azera vs. Nissan Maxima 3.5 SV vs. Toyota Avalon Limited
I'd get the Avalon over an ES if I was in the market to buy one.
02-14-13, 11:17 AM
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But that's nothing compared with the Toyota, which now can positively crash through its suspension on patchy pavement.
This starchy new ride quality is going to startle some long-time Avalon adherents. For instance, there's this enthusiastic guy, who recently posted at motortrend.com's general forum: "Hi, folks, I just saw pics of [the Avalon, blah, blah, blah]. I hope they kept the car's well-isolated interior, as well as the float-on-clouds suspension." Sur-prise!
This starchy new ride quality is going to startle some long-time Avalon adherents. For instance, there's this enthusiastic guy, who recently posted at motortrend.com's general forum: "Hi, folks, I just saw pics of [the Avalon, blah, blah, blah]. I hope they kept the car's well-isolated interior, as well as the float-on-clouds suspension." Sur-prise!
02-14-13, 01:23 PM
#33
Don't think Lexus is moving to all RWD any time soon. Over half of Lexus's car sales comes from the ES (and over 10% is from the CT). Over 80% of the Lexus SUV sales comes from the RX, many of which are FWD too. If you take away all FWD Lexus then Lexus sales will likely drop over 60% in the short term.
FWD consist of huge amount of sales volume for Lexus. Even BMW is about to add FWD models in their entry level line up.
02-14-13, 01:33 PM
#36
I don't understand the advantage of lowering the average age of buyers, in general old folks got money, young folks don't. And I don't see younger folks wanting a $40k extra large premium Camry (Avalon) over a Lexus IS, no matter how sporty they make the Avalon.
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02-14-13, 01:45 PM
#37
Winning comparison tests and selling well are two different thing. Is like movie critics and box office sales don't always agreed.
I don't understand the advantage of lowering the average age of buyers, in general old folks got money, young folks don't. And I don't see younger folks wanting a $40k extra large premium Camry (Avalon) over a Lexus IS, no matter how sporty they make the Avalon.
I don't understand the advantage of lowering the average age of buyers, in general old folks got money, young folks don't. And I don't see younger folks wanting a $40k extra large premium Camry (Avalon) over a Lexus IS, no matter how sporty they make the Avalon.
It is selling great... and thats without full availability.
Young folks here being in their 50's and not late 60's.... not 20's.
02-14-13, 01:57 PM
#38
"the all-new 2013 Avalon, a redesign that the automaker hopes will attract younger buyers to the vehicle, whose average buyer has been in his or her mid-60s."-USA Today.
I can see the new design attracting some 40's and more 50's buyers.
The last design was terrible looking,IMO.
I can see the new design attracting some 40's and more 50's buyers.
The last design was terrible looking,IMO.
02-14-13, 02:23 PM
#40
Right now they cant build enough Avalon's, so I think they did pretty good reflection on how well is car doing.
Whats more important is that Avalon and ES together are selling really well, 13k last month and should be more as production ramps up.
02-14-13, 03:47 PM
#41
You can only compare vs current market... Old Avalon sold well in very different market... In 2012, large car sales dropped by 50% or so overall.
Right now they cant build enough Avalon's, so I think they did pretty good reflection on how well is car doing.
Whats more important is that Avalon and ES together are selling really well, 13k last month and should be more as production ramps up.
Right now they cant build enough Avalon's, so I think they did pretty good reflection on how well is car doing.
Whats more important is that Avalon and ES together are selling really well, 13k last month and should be more as production ramps up.
That's how I look at it.
Comparing it to a new player (Azera) doesn't mean much, is like comparing sales volume of the LS460L to the Equus. Consumers are still warming up to the idea of a premium Hyundai.
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02-14-13, 04:45 PM
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It is shift in buyer preferences.
Just like on the other hand, Rav4 will be failure if it doesnt increase its 1st year sales of last generation, since sales across the segment are way up so not to increase its market share, it would mean it fails.
02-14-13, 05:48 PM
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well you can look at it anyway you want, the fact is that full sized car sales dropped by at least 50% in past 5-6 years. Thats across the segment, not Avalon.
It is shift in buyer preferences.
Just like on the other hand, Rav4 will be failure if it doesnt increase its 1st year sales of last generation, since sales across the segment are way up so not to increase its market share, it would mean it fails.
It is shift in buyer preferences.
Just like on the other hand, Rav4 will be failure if it doesnt increase its 1st year sales of last generation, since sales across the segment are way up so not to increase its market share, it would mean it fails.
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02-15-13, 06:06 AM
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well you can look at it anyway you want, the fact is that full sized car sales dropped by at least 50% in past 5-6 years. Thats across the segment, not Avalon.
It is shift in buyer preferences.
Just like on the other hand, Rav4 will be failure if it doesnt increase its 1st year sales of last generation, since sales across the segment are way up so not to increase its market share, it would mean it fails.
It is shift in buyer preferences.
Just like on the other hand, Rav4 will be failure if it doesnt increase its 1st year sales of last generation, since sales across the segment are way up so not to increase its market share, it would mean it fails.
There are less entries in this field as well. Any reason they didn't include the Buick LaCrosse?
