2014 gs f
This car is not going to be the greatest car in the world but it is a crucial step to expanding the F portfolio and the only Asian sedan to play with the Germans like the IS F. From what I've been told it will be more than enough car for most here and a logical next step for many previous GS 400/430/460 IS F owners as well as something to attract people from other brands like the IS F.
Give me a wrench and let me into the warehouse, I can build one with my bare hands.
Last edited by BNR34; Sep 11, 2012 at 01:28 PM.
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Well ALLRiiiight 
Finally something that's actually attainable on the Real F model line up(aside from the ISF ofcourse). The ISF was the only "Real" F anyone with good credit and a good job can buy there for a while. I'm excited for the GSF's handling capabilities at this point because 461HP isn't exactly an M5 or AMG Black Series killer 
Can't Lexus just round it off to 500hp already?! Stop playing catch up with the Germans and just blow them out of the water(at least power wise). Not a good thing to be just barely up to par. I'm sure the current ISF would be close to 461hp with just mere simple bolt-ons, full exhaust, cold air intake, headers, ground wires and it's there or almost there. COME ON LEXUS
Finally something that's actually attainable on the Real F model line up(aside from the ISF ofcourse). The ISF was the only "Real" F anyone with good credit and a good job can buy there for a while. I'm excited for the GSF's handling capabilities at this point because 461HP isn't exactly an M5 or AMG Black Series killer Can't Lexus just round it off to 500hp already?! Stop playing catch up with the Germans and just blow them out of the water(at least power wise). Not a good thing to be just barely up to par. I'm sure the current ISF would be close to 461hp with just mere simple bolt-ons, full exhaust, cold air intake, headers, ground wires and it's there or almost there. COME ON LEXUS
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M5 - 560hp
E AMG - 518hp
Cant they squeeze out more out of the 5.0L?
I think it is easy to be discouraged with the power numbers but 461hp is not the end of the world. Far from it, actually.
1) The GS F will be the second "rational" expansion of the F line, after the IS F, so 461hp says that Lexus is doing something above the IS F but is still testing the waters. I see something more "Audi S6" in execution vs. E63 or M5. With no idea of how it will be received, this is a safer move for Lexus.
2) This plan also allows Lexus to use existing parts and keep the cost down. If they can do $80 - 85k base, this car is going to be about $15 - 20k cheaper than an E63 or M5, which have both now become $95-110k cars. I am not saying that people with this much cash are necessarily looking for value, but 25% less expensive is a hard number for anyone to ignore.
3) Looking at cars like the LFA, FRS and new GS, it's plain to see that Toyota's focus is producing overall driver's cars - not about building the largest engines. They may not be the fastest cars in their respective classes, but they do seem to be the full package - handling, agility, braking, acceleration and feel. I like this philosophy applied to the GS - the FRS formula applied to a midsize sedan, so to speak.
4) Weight reduction has been a big priority for Toyota, so if Lexus can keep the weight down and put in 461hp and say 440 lb-ft of torque, this car will still provide plenty of thrills. Throw in the driving dynamics that Toyota seems to have perfected, and the GS F could be a very compelling option. The M5 is a 4,400lb car. The E63 is a hair over 4,000lbs. If Lexus can keep the GS F to around 3,800lbs like the standard car, it won't need as much HP to provide similar performance, while also being a more rewarding car to drive.
In summary, a GS F as mentioned by Mike and others makes a lot of sense - it's a step above the IS F, it brings a proven and less expensive set of parts which keeps costs down and it will likely deliver upon Lexus' promise to produce cars that are rewarding to drive. This is not the 600hp killer that many were hoping for, but is a logical step for the F brand - something that is only 4 years old. If this generation is successful, I am sure that we will see bigger, bolder moves in the future.
1) The GS F will be the second "rational" expansion of the F line, after the IS F, so 461hp says that Lexus is doing something above the IS F but is still testing the waters. I see something more "Audi S6" in execution vs. E63 or M5. With no idea of how it will be received, this is a safer move for Lexus.
2) This plan also allows Lexus to use existing parts and keep the cost down. If they can do $80 - 85k base, this car is going to be about $15 - 20k cheaper than an E63 or M5, which have both now become $95-110k cars. I am not saying that people with this much cash are necessarily looking for value, but 25% less expensive is a hard number for anyone to ignore.
3) Looking at cars like the LFA, FRS and new GS, it's plain to see that Toyota's focus is producing overall driver's cars - not about building the largest engines. They may not be the fastest cars in their respective classes, but they do seem to be the full package - handling, agility, braking, acceleration and feel. I like this philosophy applied to the GS - the FRS formula applied to a midsize sedan, so to speak.
4) Weight reduction has been a big priority for Toyota, so if Lexus can keep the weight down and put in 461hp and say 440 lb-ft of torque, this car will still provide plenty of thrills. Throw in the driving dynamics that Toyota seems to have perfected, and the GS F could be a very compelling option. The M5 is a 4,400lb car. The E63 is a hair over 4,000lbs. If Lexus can keep the GS F to around 3,800lbs like the standard car, it won't need as much HP to provide similar performance, while also being a more rewarding car to drive.
In summary, a GS F as mentioned by Mike and others makes a lot of sense - it's a step above the IS F, it brings a proven and less expensive set of parts which keeps costs down and it will likely deliver upon Lexus' promise to produce cars that are rewarding to drive. This is not the 600hp killer that many were hoping for, but is a logical step for the F brand - something that is only 4 years old. If this generation is successful, I am sure that we will see bigger, bolder moves in the future.