Originally Posted by Blackraven

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However, 460ish hp is not gonna send auto magazines

Originally Posted by Ice350

I agree with the people who think its kinda silly to have 11 pages of back and forth chatter about something that doesn't exist.

Originally Posted by mordecai

spwolf: Do you also post on Neogaf? I thought your username looked familiar so I googled Neogaf for spwolf and confirmed that there's a spwolf who also posts there.

Originally Posted by Blackraven

I'm sorry to say this but:
Anything less than 500 horsepower is not worth the effort for a GS-F.

You might as well just call it something else like the GS500 F-sport.

If Lexus wants to compete in the same league as:
-BMW M5
-Audi RS6
-Mercedes Benz E63 AMG
-Jaguar XFR

then it needs minimum 500 hp.

Something like 461 hp is not gonna cut it imho.

Don't get me wrong. The possibly of Lexus releasing a higher power variant of the 4GS (beyond the current GS350 and GS450h versions) is something that I highly appreciate. And I applaud Lexus for that.

However, 460ish hp is not gonna send auto magazines, sons of oil tycoons, drag racers and billionaire auto enthusiasts into nirvana.

Remember, this vehicle segment is about NUMBERS game.

I mean, look back at when the ISF came out. The moment it came out, the car immediately set it sights against the M3 because it had the power and performance figures to back it up.

And wow I think it had slightly more HP and max torque than a the S85 engine in the E90 M3:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_S65
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_UR_engine#2UR-GSE

And that's what I'm talking about: Lexus 'F' division exceeding (or at least matching up with) the competition

Hence, my imho is: Anything less than 500 hp for the upcoming GS-F is not that acceptable to me. For a GS500 F-sport, then yes the 461 hp is more than adequate......BUT not for a GS-F.

A less than 500 hp GS-F only goes against what Lexus has started with their ISF that beats or is at least able to keep up with an E90 M3.

Just my opinion......

Originally Posted by NewSpace

So bottom line, when is GSF coming? I'm getting impatient! Let's hear from JoeZ, Hoovey, 1SICKLEX...

Originally Posted by Joe Z

When I interviewed the IS-F Chief Engineer last month @ Pikes Peak, I was given a firm "NO COMMENT"


ClubLexus Socal Exclusive: Interview with Yukihiko Yaguchi, Chief Engineer of ISF


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP90vOlppb4

~ Joe Z

Originally Posted by NewSpace

Thanks Joe. At least you tried! Guess that means we might have a while to wait. I commit now to buying the next "F" that comes out - whichever comes soonest.

Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX

Lets be honest, the 500hp M5 was more than enough, the 550hp is really to outdo the competition.
You want power nothing can beat the turbo Germans.

Originally Posted by Oleg400

-GS 400- Dream car since I was 13.

Originally Posted by pavelekPL

i think everyone loves the fact that it's coming. We're just wishing it to be better than the competition.

Originally Posted by GS3Tek

Lexus did it back then in 98 when it debut the GS400.......kicked the Germans' butt in the hp dept.

Man, I still get tingly watching this.
There's no hatin' or anything, just want Lexus to re-ignite that spark again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA6HUySkFss

more Wicked campaign compilations

http://lexusenthusiast.com/2011/08/0...ting-campaign/

Originally Posted by rominl

if they suddenly release lfa2 tomorrow you might be in a little trouble... or not

Originally Posted by Joe Z

When I interviewed the IS-F Chief Engineer last month @ Pikes Peak, I was given a firm "NO COMMENT"


ClubLexus Socal Exclusive: Interview with Yukihiko Yaguchi, Chief Engineer of ISF


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP90vOlppb4

~ Joe Z