Lexus Distances Itself from Toyota
05-09-12, 11:12 AM
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Not as quick but I love it.
The GT-R is a great but the ZR1 is quicker.
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"The 2012 Chevrolet Corvette can bring the heat. The base car is extremely fast: the Z06, terrifyingly so. As for the ZR1, any car whose speed at the end of the quarter-mile approaches 130 mph is just in a different league -- the ballyhooed Nissan GT-R trails the ZR1 by a full 10 mph here. Top to bottom, the Corvette stable has enough broad-shouldered eight-cylinder force to satisfy even the most depraved speed fiend. Nor does this hamper drivability, as all Corvette models are pretty easy and comfortable to drive around town."
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05-09-12, 11:26 AM
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I would buy a 911 GTS over the ZR1.
Not as quick but I love it.
The GT-R is a great but the ZR1 is quicker.
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"The 2012 Chevrolet Corvette can bring the heat. The base car is extremely fast: the Z06, terrifyingly so. As for the ZR1, any car whose speed at the end of the quarter-mile approaches 130 mph is just in a different league -- the ballyhooed Nissan GT-R trails the ZR1 by a full 10 mph here. Top to bottom, the Corvette stable has enough broad-shouldered eight-cylinder force to satisfy even the most depraved speed fiend. Nor does this hamper drivability, as all Corvette models are pretty easy and comfortable to drive around town."
Not as quick but I love it.
The GT-R is a great but the ZR1 is quicker.
.
"The 2012 Chevrolet Corvette can bring the heat. The base car is extremely fast: the Z06, terrifyingly so. As for the ZR1, any car whose speed at the end of the quarter-mile approaches 130 mph is just in a different league -- the ballyhooed Nissan GT-R trails the ZR1 by a full 10 mph here. Top to bottom, the Corvette stable has enough broad-shouldered eight-cylinder force to satisfy even the most depraved speed fiend. Nor does this hamper drivability, as all Corvette models are pretty easy and comfortable to drive around town."
Let's not turn this thread to GT-R vs ZR1.
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05-09-12, 05:58 PM
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I don't know why Toyota/Lexus has to make this such a time consuming or difficult process!!! We are talking about a company that is not "new" to the "exciting cars" scene. Are we all forgetting who the makers of legendary cars such as; the Supra Turbo's, the Land-cruiser's, the 4Runner's/Hilux's, the AE86's, the 2000GT, and let's not forget the LFA are!?! Now, remember, 5 of the 6 cars I named are real Toyota's. My point is, it's actually a good thing to build a foundation on the Toyota cars as that is where the "excitement" truly lies. Lexus is in a perfect position to literally overtake a huge customer base from the Germans if they just get their act together and make truly competitive cars. What is so hard about making a 500HP GS-F that shares the same engine as the IS-F? The technology is there, the parts are there....slap on a few modified engine mounts on a GS350, drop in a 5.0 IS-F V8, give it some wild body work, a dual-clutch setup, and touch-up the interior a tad bit....and you have an M5 competitor that will sell like an iPhone on launch day. Why does BMW still offer a manual trans, yet Lexus doesn't? Toyota incorporated one of the strongest transmissions known to man in the MKIV Supra (Getrag) and now it's a difficult thing to incorporate? Fine....automatic it is, but lets see some technology borrowed from the LFA. Speaking of LFA, why is it so difficult to make a dash cluster like the LFA in all "F" cars? Doesn't have to be exactly like the LFA's, but at least give us that bling factor to embarrass the competition. I personally would kill for that gauge cluster in a LFA....just sooooo SICK! I could go on for hours about this....bottom line....they need to seriously work on their "F" cars not "F-Sport"...full "F" cars, like AMG and M cars. They get this right, and Lexus will own half the world.
05-10-12, 10:06 AM
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I would buy a 911 GTS over the ZR1.
Not as quick but I love it.
The GT-R is a great but the ZR1 is quicker.
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"The 2012 Chevrolet Corvette can bring the heat. The base car is extremely fast: the Z06, terrifyingly so. As for the ZR1, any car whose speed at the end of the quarter-mile approaches 130 mph is just in a different league -- the ballyhooed Nissan GT-R trails the ZR1 by a full 10 mph here. Top to bottom, the Corvette stable has enough broad-shouldered eight-cylinder force to satisfy even the most depraved speed fiend. Nor does this hamper drivability, as all Corvette models are pretty easy and comfortable to drive around town."
Not as quick but I love it.
The GT-R is a great but the ZR1 is quicker.
.
"The 2012 Chevrolet Corvette can bring the heat. The base car is extremely fast: the Z06, terrifyingly so. As for the ZR1, any car whose speed at the end of the quarter-mile approaches 130 mph is just in a different league -- the ballyhooed Nissan GT-R trails the ZR1 by a full 10 mph here. Top to bottom, the Corvette stable has enough broad-shouldered eight-cylinder force to satisfy even the most depraved speed fiend. Nor does this hamper drivability, as all Corvette models are pretty easy and comfortable to drive around town."
05-10-12, 12:17 PM
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I don't know why Toyota/Lexus has to make this such a time consuming or difficult process!!! We are talking about a company that is not "new" to the "exciting cars" scene. Are we all forgetting who the makers of legendary cars such as; the Supra Turbo's, the Land-cruiser's, the 4Runner's/Hilux's, the AE86's, the 2000GT, and let's not forget the LFA are!?! Now, remember, 5 of the 6 cars I named are real Toyota's. My point is, it's actually a good thing to build a foundation on the Toyota cars as that is where the "excitement" truly lies. Lexus is in a perfect position to literally overtake a huge customer base from the Germans if they just get their act together and make truly competitive cars. What is so hard about making a 500HP GS-F that shares the same engine as the IS-F? The technology is there, the parts are there....slap on a few modified engine mounts on a GS350, drop in a 5.0 IS-F V8, give it some wild body work, a dual-clutch setup, and touch-up the interior a tad bit....and you have an M5 competitor that will sell like an iPhone on launch day. Why does BMW still offer a manual trans, yet Lexus doesn't? Toyota incorporated one of the strongest transmissions known to man in the MKIV Supra (Getrag) and now it's a difficult thing to incorporate? Fine....automatic it is, but lets see some technology borrowed from the LFA. Speaking of LFA, why is it so difficult to make a dash cluster like the LFA in all "F" cars? Doesn't have to be exactly like the LFA's, but at least give us that bling factor to embarrass the competition. I personally would kill for that gauge cluster in a LFA....just sooooo SICK! I could go on for hours about this....bottom line....they need to seriously work on their "F" cars not "F-Sport"...full "F" cars, like AMG and M cars. They get this right, and Lexus will own half the world.
Personally I don't want to drive an is-f. Mostly because theyre butt ugly, but also because for a similar price I could have an m-3 which is still slapping the is-f around. Lexus can't make the itself the "alternative" choice, it needs to make itself the OBVIOUS choice.
I'm praying Lexus learned from the 335 debacle and is waiting for BMW to drop its new model 3 series before dropping it's own with better everything. I think that's Lexus' chance, otherwise it will become "coulda been" who had a shot at the title but couldn't go three rounds
05-10-12, 12:22 PM
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Lexus can further push the envelope to compete with BMW, Mercedes, Audi by adding serious performance enhancements to their vehicles, partner with Tommy Kaira, TRD, Sard, Mine's, Pheonix SPL or whichever tuning house to make a legitimate run. Once a variety of engines are available they will be right there competing with the German manufacturers. Let's face it they have the money they have the know-how, just do it!
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I don't think the F is looked on with the same reverence as BMW looks at M. Though M cars make up only a fraction of the care BMW sells they are where BMW makes its money. Every BMW driver wants to drive an M even the suv drivers, just ask them.
Personally I don't want to drive an is-f. Mostly because theyre butt ugly, but also because for a similar price I could have an m-3 which is still slapping the is-f around. Lexus can't make the itself the "alternative" choice, it needs to make itself the OBVIOUS choice.
I'm praying Lexus learned from the 335 debacle and is waiting for BMW to drop its new model 3 series before dropping it's own with better everything. I think that's Lexus' chance, otherwise it will become "coulda been" who had a shot at the title but couldn't go three rounds
Personally I don't want to drive an is-f. Mostly because theyre butt ugly, but also because for a similar price I could have an m-3 which is still slapping the is-f around. Lexus can't make the itself the "alternative" choice, it needs to make itself the OBVIOUS choice.
I'm praying Lexus learned from the 335 debacle and is waiting for BMW to drop its new model 3 series before dropping it's own with better everything. I think that's Lexus' chance, otherwise it will become "coulda been" who had a shot at the title but couldn't go three rounds
I think Lexus has everything planned out for what IS-F should be long time ago. They are just testing the prototype before final stage. Who would have waited till last minute the design or revised a car?
