2013 Lexus LX 570
01-07-12, 06:55 PM
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I'm a fan of Lexus cars, not of Toyota corporate or even the vast majority of Toyotas. One reason I'm a fan of Lexus cars is because up to this point there has been an attention to detail, subtleties and execution in design that I've found very appealing, and non-existent on as wide a scale with most other brands. Even Toyota cars save for one or two models just don't have it.
Here we see some of that being sacrificed in a bid to "stand out" or be "bold", and that half-assed unfinished chrome accent they've got going on is NOT that same Lexus attention to detail. It is half-assed, misguided and unfinished.
This is the old LX grill, have a look at the top half, how artful, fluid and beautiful the details are executed:
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Do we see it with the Mercedes GL? No.
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The Cadillac Escalade? Certainly not.
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If Lexus loses this, IMO their design is FINISHED. The new GS has already lost a lot of it, especially compared to the CT. It's dangerous waters they're venturing in.
Here we see some of that being sacrificed in a bid to "stand out" or be "bold", and that half-assed unfinished chrome accent they've got going on is NOT that same Lexus attention to detail. It is half-assed, misguided and unfinished.
This is the old LX grill, have a look at the top half, how artful, fluid and beautiful the details are executed:
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Do we see it with the Mercedes GL? No.
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The Cadillac Escalade? Certainly not.
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If Lexus loses this, IMO their design is FINISHED. The new GS has already lost a lot of it, especially compared to the CT. It's dangerous waters they're venturing in.
How do we not know there isn't attention to detail? There is probably more detail since Lexus continues to add more style and get better with aerodynamics. I have no idea what is half-assed about this so far. Its not even that different for crying out loud, they simple contoured the bottom to be part of the spindle and added a touch here and there. Considering they are putting a new design direction on an older vehicle for it's MMC, it seems to work to most of us.
Now I might agree with you that Lexus styling was for those with the keen eye and not one who's idea of a car is what C&D tells them. I honestly never had much of an issue with Lexus styling. It seems Lexus is answering the call from people who would NEVER buy a Lexus no matter what they do. I will say the new GS seems to be attracting people who like the bold front and never considered a Lexus before.
FYI, the GL and Escalade seem to be liked by consumers since they sell very well and a lot of it is based on style.
01-07-12, 07:10 PM
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I'm a fan of Lexus cars, not of Toyota corporate or even the vast majority of Toyotas. One reason I'm a fan of Lexus cars is because up to this point there has been an attention to detail, subtleties and execution in design that I've found very appealing, and non-existent on as wide a scale with most other brands. Even Toyota cars save for one or two models just don't have it.
Here we see some of that being sacrificed in a bid to "stand out" or be "bold", and that half-assed unfinished chrome accent they've got going on is NOT that same Lexus attention to detail. It is half-assed, misguided and unfinished.
If Lexus loses this, IMO their design is FINISHED. The new GS has already lost a lot of it, especially compared to the CT. It's dangerous waters they're venturing in.
Here we see some of that being sacrificed in a bid to "stand out" or be "bold", and that half-assed unfinished chrome accent they've got going on is NOT that same Lexus attention to detail. It is half-assed, misguided and unfinished.
If Lexus loses this, IMO their design is FINISHED. The new GS has already lost a lot of it, especially compared to the CT. It's dangerous waters they're venturing in.
I agree. I like details and I really appreciate the way the right and left edge of the old grill looks almost as if it's intertwined with the border of the bumper. It's a very classy touch and detail that is now unfortunately lost.
Also with the fog lights, the original design looked very well integrated. This update looks almost as if it were an afterthought.
01-07-12, 07:17 PM
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I'm a fan of Lexus cars, not of Toyota corporate or even the vast majority of Toyotas. One reason I'm a fan of Lexus cars is because up to this point there has been an attention to detail, subtleties and execution in design that I've found very appealing, and non-existent on as wide a scale with most other brands. Even Toyota cars save for one or two models just don't have it.
Here we see some of that being sacrificed in a bid to "stand out" or be "bold", and that half-assed unfinished chrome accent they've got going on is NOT that same Lexus attention to detail. It is half-assed, misguided and unfinished.
This is the old LX grill, have a look at the top half, how artful, fluid and beautiful the details are executed:
Do we see it with the Mercedes GL? No.
The Cadillac Escalade? Certainly not.
If Lexus loses this, IMO their design is FINISHED. The new GS has already lost a lot of it, especially compared to the CT. It's dangerous waters they're venturing in.
Here we see some of that being sacrificed in a bid to "stand out" or be "bold", and that half-assed unfinished chrome accent they've got going on is NOT that same Lexus attention to detail. It is half-assed, misguided and unfinished.
This is the old LX grill, have a look at the top half, how artful, fluid and beautiful the details are executed:
Do we see it with the Mercedes GL? No.
The Cadillac Escalade? Certainly not.
If Lexus loses this, IMO their design is FINISHED. The new GS has already lost a lot of it, especially compared to the CT. It's dangerous waters they're venturing in.
01-07-12, 07:43 PM
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And again how can we come to such stern and swift conclusions based on one pic, in one angle, in one color? How do we not know there isn't attention to detail? There is probably more detail since Lexus continues to add more style and get better with aerodynamics.
I have no idea what is half-assed about this so far. Its not even that different for crying out loud, they simple contoured the bottom to be part of the spindle and added a touch here and there. Considering they are putting a new design direction on an older vehicle for it's MMC, it seems to work to most of us.
Now I might agree with you that Lexus styling was for those with the keen eye and not one who's idea of a car is what C&D tells them. I honestly never had much of an issue with Lexus styling. It seems Lexus is answering the call from people who would NEVER buy a Lexus no matter what they do. I will say the new GS seems to be attracting people who like the bold front and never considered a Lexus before.
FYI, the GL and Escalade seem to be liked by consumers since they sell very well and a lot of it is based on style.
How do we not know there isn't attention to detail? There is probably more detail since Lexus continues to add more style and get better with aerodynamics. I have no idea what is half-assed about this so far. Its not even that different for crying out loud, they simple contoured the bottom to be part of the spindle and added a touch here and there. Considering they are putting a new design direction on an older vehicle for it's MMC, it seems to work to most of us.
Now I might agree with you that Lexus styling was for those with the keen eye and not one who's idea of a car is what C&D tells them. I honestly never had much of an issue with Lexus styling. It seems Lexus is answering the call from people who would NEVER buy a Lexus no matter what they do. I will say the new GS seems to be attracting people who like the bold front and never considered a Lexus before.
FYI, the GL and Escalade seem to be liked by consumers since they sell very well and a lot of it is based on style.
GL sells because it has a giant silver star on the grill and the Escalade sells because it's an Escalade. Both are considerably cheaper. The LX will not be any of those cars, imitating their (IMO poor) design execution (note that execution is different from aesthetics) will not make the LX sell any better, and I'm not saying that's what has happened with the new one.
That unfinished looking chrome fang that they have accenting the upper half of the spindle grill (on the GS as well) is poor execution, and poor attention to detail. Just watch, they will put that on every future Lexus car, and it will be sad.
01-07-12, 07:48 PM
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I agree. I like details and I really appreciate the way the right and left edge of the old grill looks almost as if it's intertwined with the border of the bumper. It's a very classy touch and detail that is now unfortunately lost.
Also with the fog lights, the original design looked very well integrated. This update looks almost as if it were an afterthought.
"I told you" so isn't quite enough.
GL sells because it has a giant silver star on the grill and the Escalade sells because it's an Escalade. Both are considerably cheaper. The LX will not be any of those cars, imitating their (IMO poor) design execution (note that execution is different from aesthetics) will not make the LX sell any better, and I'm not saying that's what has happened with the new one.
That unfinished looking chrome fang that they have accenting the upper half of the spindle grill (on the GS as well) is poor execution, and poor attention to detail. Just watch, they will put that on every future Lexus car, and it will be sad.
That unfinished looking chrome fang that they have accenting the upper half of the spindle grill (on the GS as well) is poor execution, and poor attention to detail. Just watch, they will put that on every future Lexus car, and it will be sad.
HS
CT
GS
and now LX
So its fine not to like it, I am not a fan either. However it is not an "Attention to detail" problem. Poor execution. Yes, you can have an opinion of that. If you think it looks sad, that is fine too. However it is not a "Detail" issue since it was done on purpose.
Lexus seems to be completely fine with the LX selling 300-500 units a month otherwise they surely would have pulled the plug. In such a brash/bold segment this grill can ONLY HELP the LX. Every other SUV in this class has some giant grill. It is of my opinion the LX front end was too staid and yes, bland compared to most. Quite frankly I miss the quad headlamps.
01-07-12, 07:52 PM
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Can't wait to hear all about the ILX!
01-07-12, 10:03 PM
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I had to look at your past posts for a helluva chuckle, welcome back "I told you" so isn't quite enough.
The chrome fan is not poor attention to detail. It is there on purpose, like the
HS
CT
GS
and now LX
So its fine not to like it, I am not a fan either. However it is not an "Attention to detail" problem. Poor execution. Yes, you can have an opinion of that. If you think it looks sad, that is fine too. However it is not a "Detail" issue since it was done on purpose.
Lexus seems to be completely fine with the LX selling 300-500 units a month otherwise they surely would have pulled the plug. In such a brash/bold segment this grill can ONLY HELP the LX. Every other SUV in this class has some giant grill. It is of my opinion the LX front end was too staid and yes, bland compared to most. Quite frankly I miss the quad headlamps.
"I told you" so isn't quite enough.The chrome fan is not poor attention to detail. It is there on purpose, like the
HS
CT
GS
and now LX
So its fine not to like it, I am not a fan either. However it is not an "Attention to detail" problem. Poor execution. Yes, you can have an opinion of that. If you think it looks sad, that is fine too. However it is not a "Detail" issue since it was done on purpose.
Lexus seems to be completely fine with the LX selling 300-500 units a month otherwise they surely would have pulled the plug. In such a brash/bold segment this grill can ONLY HELP the LX. Every other SUV in this class has some giant grill. It is of my opinion the LX front end was too staid and yes, bland compared to most. Quite frankly I miss the quad headlamps.
The use of chrome there is fine (it ends where it's supposed to). This is not fine:
Either cut it off like it was on the concept and on the CT or extend it all the way to surround the entire grill. Just the fact that they changed it from the concept shows to me that they lack direction and are indecisive about this new design direction.
01-08-12, 05:15 AM
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CT doesn't have it, neither did the LF-GH concept:
The use of chrome there is fine (it ends where it's supposed to). This is not fine:
Either cut it off like it was on the concept and on the CT or extend it all the way to surround the entire grill. Just the fact that they changed it from the concept shows to me that they lack direction and are indecisive about this new design direction.
The use of chrome there is fine (it ends where it's supposed to). This is not fine:
Either cut it off like it was on the concept and on the CT or extend it all the way to surround the entire grill. Just the fact that they changed it from the concept shows to me that they lack direction and are indecisive about this new design direction.
Thats super tacky.In reality crome fangs dont make the car look ugly or pretty its just there and just like Acuras beak you live with it.