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Old 10-27-11, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by rominl
yes, i see your point now and i tend to agree. though throw in the c63 with 450hp it matches up with rs4 right the way.
I was waiting for you to bring up the C63 But even though the C63 got the same power, somehow something make the RS4 feel more special. Especially here in the U.S. that we rarely get the RS version cars, when we do get it, it feel extra special.

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rs4 started out with more power, but i think that's coz' their product cycle is so weird and it's like right in the middle of competitors
That is true, it is also a point I was trying to point out, Audi don't follow their competitors.
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Originally Posted by blacksc400
Bugatti, 911 Turbo S, and GTR are the 3 stock cars than broke 3 sec.
Bugatti Super Sport is 2.52sec to 60!

Man, Jeff, you beat me to it.


Murcielago LP670-4 Superveloce also broke 3 secs, but it wasn't available for that article. It was mentioned in that article. It did 2.9 from the last test that I saw.

A bunch of cars are at the 3.0~3.2 range.........458, 599 GTO, MP4-12C, I guess any cars with around 600 hp that don't weight a whole lot with decent traction and a fast shifting tranny are around 3.0 now.
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Old 10-27-11, 02:02 PM
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The main difference here guys is that the M5 can hold 5 passengers or at least 4. That makes it better than most of the cars on the 3 second list. The M5 can also seat a driver at 6'5" a lot f more comfortably than any sports car
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Old 10-27-11, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Blackraven
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The GS-F (if ever Lexus will make one) can definitely keep up with the performance Germans.............as long as it has 500 HP (minimum)

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Anyways, wow that's sick. So I reckon that 0-62 mph (0-100 km/h) under 4 seconds is possible. Wow

And with that:
The next RS6 is coming up. I hope Audi will step it up to match what the M5 (F10) has offered.

It will be very interesting
I think most enthusiasts can appreciate the AWD grip of the Audi but the M5 will always provide a little more neutral handling as opposed to the standard understeer you always get on corner entry in an AWD car
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Originally Posted by I8ABMR
The main difference here guys is that the M5 can hold 5 passengers or at least 4. That makes it better than most of the cars on the 3 second list. The M5 can also seat a driver at 6'5" a lot f more comfortably than any sports car
I don't think anyone said otherwise
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Old 10-27-11, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by BNR34
Yes the GTR broke 3 secs, the 2012 got A LOT quicker then the 2009 version. Various trust worthy test report are coming in at 2.8-2.9 bone stock.

2009 was 3.3~3.5.
damn the 2012 is really a lot faster. never knew it, sub 3, that's "stupid"

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I was waiting for you to bring up the C63 But even though the C63 got the same power, somehow something make the RS4 feel more special. Especially here in the U.S. that we rarely get the RS version cars, when we do get it, it feel extra special.

That is true, it is also a point I was trying to point out, Audi don't follow their competitors.
hahahaha, well the rs4 wasn't really selling that well coz' of the price. for sure rare, but then we know rare doesn't mean good. i mean if that, everyone should get isf than m3 j/k

one thing i just can't get over is audi pricing...

back to the m5 and e63. my goodness, they just look sooooo delicious
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Originally Posted by rominl
damn the 2012 is really a lot faster. never knew it, sub 3, that's "stupid"
News just broke that the 2013 GTR will again have a significant performance increase over the 2012 car, my god, Nissan is just not letting up on the performance war against Porsche. Make sense, when the 09' GTR came out, it smoked the 09' 997 Turbo, now that the 12' 997 Turbo S is smoking the 12' GTR, Nissan must fight back. When the 13' GTR is smoking the 12' Turbo S, Porsche will come back with the 14' 991 Turbo I am so glad I am not into pure speed anymore, I would be so broke buying a new car every year!

http://www.gtspirit.com/2011/10/27/2...t-nurburgring/

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hahahaha, well the rs4 wasn't really selling that well coz' of the price. for sure rare, but then we know rare doesn't mean good. i mean if that, everyone should get isf than m3 j/k
LOL, I agree...........I drove the RS4, I didn't find anything amazing about it, dull steering feel from the 4WD, boring engine sounds......etc. The only thing cool on it are the flared fenders and the badge.

Nothing delicious like the E9X M3

Not to mention the C63 P30 package makes 480 hp and the DR520 package makes 520 hp. So for hp, MB won.

Originally Posted by rominl
one thing i just can't get over is audi pricing...
Audi is very proud of their stuff! They think they are better

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back to the m5 and e63. my goodness, they just look sooooo delicious
I have been drooling. Wait til the tuners do 2~3 mods on them, OMG instant 650 hp I don't know how long I can control myself from having a near 700 hp sedan! That's twice as much as the 300 hp from my 430's V8, I am getting tired of 14 secs 1/4.

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4300 lbs. Its pretty easy to add more power and make a car go faster. Its harder to make it lighter and increase driver feedback. If it wasn't for the USA, they wouldn't even make a manual!

What are modded X6M and X5M vehicles making HP wise? Can't believe a M5 shares an engine with SUVs. Surely 600+ easy?

I really am having new appreciation for the E60 now with the high revving, F1 inspired 500hp V-10 and the E39, E34....

Also the CLS 63 they tested did 0-60 in 3.8 seconds!! These sedans are freaking beasts! Hide your Ferraris
 
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i would much rather a light 4 second car than a heavy 3 second car.
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More control, driver feedback, driving feel, etc. are more important than power IMO. Balance, balance!!

For me, 500HP would be more than enough.
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I would love to know 0-60 times with 4 or 5 people in the car and a full trunk!
 
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
What are modded X6M and X5M vehicles making HP wise?
610 hp with a Dinan chip.

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Can't believe a M5 shares an engine with SUVs. Surely 600+ easy?
They don't share everything, read the fine prints, tons of differences between the M5 motor and the M-SUV motor.........different compression ratio, boost pressure, valvetronic, cams and manifolds......etc. I am sure 600+ is easy from freeing up the exhaust, but the stock M5 motor is already running 22 psi, not sure how much higher they can push that on pump gas. 22~24 psi is normally the max tuner car can run on pump gas.

Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
I really am having new appreciation for the E60 now with the high revving, F1 inspired 500hp V-10 and the E39, E34....
Boosted low revving vs. high revving NA, different feel for different purposes. I prefer my daily sedan to be boosted low revving and my weekend convertible coupe to be a high revving NA.

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Also the CLS 63 they tested did 0-60 in 3.8 seconds!! These sedans are freaking beasts! Hide your Ferraris
Latest Ferraris are down to 3.0~3.2 now, that's still a city block differences. M5 and E63 can barely see the taillights of the 458 and 599.

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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
i would much rather a light 4 second car than a heavy 3 second car.
That depends on if you are a corner carvers or a drag racers

Or depends on if it is a street car or track car, the streets are mostly straight. On the street, I want a drag car, on the track, I want a lightweight dancer.
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
I would love to know 0-60 times with 4 or 5 people in the car and a full trunk!
That's easy to estimate, add 800 lbs to the car, so 5100 lbs, 560 hp = Continental GT = 0-60: ~4.5 seconds.

C-GT got the 4WD traction advantage but got a slow shifting torque converter box, so even out.
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Originally Posted by BNR34
610 hp with a Dinan chip.



They don't share everything, read the fine prints, tons of differences between the M5 motor and the M-SUV motor.........different compression ratio, boost pressure, valvetronic, cams and manifolds......etc. I am sure 600+ is easy from freeing up the exhaust, but the stock M5 motor is already running 22 psi, not sure how much higher they can push that on pump gas. 22~24 psi is normally the max tuner car can run on pump gas.



Boosted low revving vs. high revving NA, different feel for different purposes. I prefer my daily sedan to be boosted low revving and my weekend convertible coupe to be a high revving NA.



Latest Ferraris are down to 3.0~3.2 now, that's still a city block differences. M5 and E63 can barely see the taillights of the 458 and 599.
Impressive with the chip. Still shared with SUVs sorry and debuted first on SUVs. I understand the 5 becoming to big and softer for sales but at that point why not just get the E63 or RS6? The line at this point is so blurry whereas in the past, BMW was by far the drivers car.

I didn't say new Ferrari The stock performance of these sedans is mind blowing.

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That's easy to estimate, add 800 lbs to the car, so 5100 lbs, 560 hp = Continental GT = 0-60: ~4.5 seconds.

C-GT got the 4WD traction advantage but got a slow shifting torque converter box, so even out.
I don't want an estimate b/c I could estimate it. I think it would be much more fun and interesting to see these sedans tested with people/things in it since that is why people buy them. It would be fun data to compare. Of course this is another magazine missing the point just hoping to get people all hot and bothered with a lower 0-60 time to put on their cover.
 


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