Toyota talk from the top - Yoshi Inaba
06-07-11, 03:22 AM
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We are talking about US market but you talked about Europe market:
S Class and 7 Series don't have factories in China but still sell better (1.5 to 1) in China than in the US.
you clearly know nothing of what you speak about 
at 12.7% average discount, they are not making profit on cars they sell in the USA.
Now we get to China? Lexus has no Chinese factories, nor European factories, they will not sell well... but you what they do best? Bring loads of profits to Toyota.
at 12.7% average discount, they are not making profit on cars they sell in the USA.
Now we get to China? Lexus has no Chinese factories, nor European factories, they will not sell well... but you what they do best? Bring loads of profits to Toyota.
06-07-11, 03:47 AM
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I don't understand how someone doesn't understand this simple point 
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The Germans will soon have several models below 30K in the US, with FWD and 4 cylinder engines.
Read the article again carefully. Yoshi Inaba said the Germans are going downmarket. As in, it's going to happen in the future, not right now. This has nothing to do with average transaction prices.
..The Germans will soon have several models below 30K in the US, with FWD and 4 cylinder engines.
Read the article again carefully. Yoshi Inaba said the Germans are going downmarket. As in, it's going to happen in the future, not right now. This has nothing to do with average transaction prices.
06-07-11, 03:55 AM
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1. This chart (which is wrong) should be re-sized.
2. Your source is not a source. If you used it in a literary paper you would fail. Massively. It was a nice effort by someone to "estimate" what they "thought" was avg price. Some brands are missing and it is their guesstimate. It is not a legitimate source at all so its pretty irrelevant.
Its simply taking the median price of the base model and then loaded model and saying "that is the avg price'. That is WRONG.
Where is 2011 data? The same old recycled numbers are being used from prior years.
The fact is the Germans have done downmarket for over a decade now and they sell. They are not niche models, the A3, 1 series and A class all sold over 200,000 units last year. Imagine if Lexus sold 200,000 more sub entry level cars.
Double standard again!
2. Your source is not a source. If you used it in a literary paper you would fail. Massively. It was a nice effort by someone to "estimate" what they "thought" was avg price. Some brands are missing and it is their guesstimate. It is not a legitimate source at all so its pretty irrelevant.
Its simply taking the median price of the base model and then loaded model and saying "that is the avg price'. That is WRONG.
Where is 2011 data? The same old recycled numbers are being used from prior years.
The fact is the Germans have done downmarket for over a decade now and they sell. They are not niche models, the A3, 1 series and A class all sold over 200,000 units last year. Imagine if Lexus sold 200,000 more sub entry level cars.
Double standard again!
2. The 'fact' is the 'Germans' have sold small cars at a premium. These cars have a pricing premium over other "small" cars in Europe (read: Toyota Yaris) because of their added build quality, styling, and of course badge qualities. Why is this never talked about? That sounds like a double standard to me. The MB A/B-Class and BMW 1-Series are in a different league than a Yaris type car, both in actual quality and in the way they drive. I suggest thoroughly acquitting yourself with both before deriding them for somehow being "bottom feeder" (because that is what you're trying to say, no?)
06-07-11, 05:53 AM
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This is about Toyota talk from the top, not made up transaction price results. Please get back on topic or posts not on topic will be deleted. The fact is Audi, BMW, Benz sold over 200,000 sub entry level cars last year. They are in danger of losing prestige as they continue to move downmarket as this executive has stated. Posting up made up avg transaction prices does not cancel out this point.
You have absolutely NO PROOF of this. This is an assumption, do you have their income statements and balance sheets to support this?
Since you have joined here you trolled the Panamera thread, then went into the auto sales thread last month with the same price rant and now you have come into this thread with the same rant. BTW this is what you said in another thread.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...ml#post6405951
Since you have joined here you trolled the Panamera thread, then went into the auto sales thread last month with the same price rant and now you have come into this thread with the same rant. BTW this is what you said in another thread.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...ml#post6405951
Essentially when someone buy many of the Porsche models these days, they also fund next generation Camry => Citation needed, not subjective opinion!
In fact, most of the Toyota profits come from AISIN and Denso, as well as other companies owned by Toyota => profits come from how Toyota manage the whole system rather than some components, it also depends on other risks.
In fact, most of the Toyota profits come from AISIN and Denso, as well as other companies owned by Toyota => profits come from how Toyota manage the whole system rather than some components, it also depends on other risks.
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