My 3rd fuel pump in 20 months
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Lexus Test Driver
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From: California
I still have a 09 335 sedan, which my younger son drives. It's still running strong. Anyways, i knew prior to purchasing what the risk were, but n54 engine was so enticing. It is what it is.
Maybe I'll check out the 5 series.
Maybe I'll check out the 5 series.
Is it a problem of engineering incompetence where they simply cant identify and cure the issue that causes the failures, or simply unwillingness of manufacturers to spend money on proper solution?
It always boggles my mind when manufacturers have a defective part that keeps breaking and breaking after being replaced time after time. The fuel pump issue in the BMW, and transmission in many V6 Hondas and Acuras.
Is it a problem of engineering incompetence where they simply cant identify and cure the issue that causes the failures, or simply unwillingness of manufacturers to spend money on proper solution?
Is it a problem of engineering incompetence where they simply cant identify and cure the issue that causes the failures, or simply unwillingness of manufacturers to spend money on proper solution?
or on the other hand, if fixing something will end up putting the hp numbers from 300 to 270, that can be a problem too
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From: Waiting for next track day
I love the attitude of BMW owners...
<Them> "This is the best car in the world!"
<Them> "There's nothing that comes close to this car!"
<Them> "It's just an incredible thing to drive!"
<Them> "I can't imagine driving anything else!"
<Me> "Would you ever own one that was out-of-warranty?"
<Them> "Oh Hell no!!!"
<Them> "This is the best car in the world!"
<Them> "There's nothing that comes close to this car!"
<Them> "It's just an incredible thing to drive!"
<Them> "I can't imagine driving anything else!"
<Me> "Would you ever own one that was out-of-warranty?"
<Them> "Oh Hell no!!!"
I think many BMW guys make excuses for their cars sometimes because #1 they love them so much #2 the reputation, and #3 it hurts making a 850-1000/month payment for a car that makes you look like you are driving an old American beater while you sit on the side of the road and wait for BMW road side assistance
BMW.....the ultimate ( while driving ) machine.
I dont know why they can make a car that feels so natural and responsive but they cant get a suuplier to design a pump that works or at least remedy the situation expeditiously . This crap has been going on for a few years now
I love the attitude of BMW owners...
<Them> "This is the best car in the world!"
<Them> "There's nothing that comes close to this car!"
<Them> "It's just an incredible thing to drive!"
<Them> "I can't imagine driving anything else!"
<Me> "Would you ever own one that was out-of-warranty?"
<Them> "Oh Hell no!!!"
<Them> "This is the best car in the world!"
<Them> "There's nothing that comes close to this car!"
<Them> "It's just an incredible thing to drive!"
<Them> "I can't imagine driving anything else!"
<Me> "Would you ever own one that was out-of-warranty?"
<Them> "Oh Hell no!!!"
Out of Warranty
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Maybe the fuel pump isn't the problem. I had a Mustang mis-diagnosed with a faulty master cylinder by the dealer, and 13 new master cylinders failed to fix the problem. Every time it was "fixed" by the Ford dealer, the brake pedal would go to the floor by the time I got out of the driveway and to the light at the end of the block.
I started having the service manager drive it while I rode shotgun when I picked it up. It failed every time. Finally, I gave up on Ford, and a franchise brake shop found the problem in ten minutes - some monkey had honed the rear wheel cylinders and wobbled the shaft of the hone up and down when he did the left rear (drum) brake, producing an "hourglass" cylinder that poured out brake fluid on every application, causing the brakes to fail. They kept changing master cylinders because they couldn't get their heads around their first diagnosis (which was probably correct). Unfortunately they rebuilt the brakes all around at the same time, but never suspected any of their work, and never broke down the wheel cylinders to mike the bores.
I bought another car the next week - just to get away from the only Ford dealer in the county.
I started having the service manager drive it while I rode shotgun when I picked it up. It failed every time. Finally, I gave up on Ford, and a franchise brake shop found the problem in ten minutes - some monkey had honed the rear wheel cylinders and wobbled the shaft of the hone up and down when he did the left rear (drum) brake, producing an "hourglass" cylinder that poured out brake fluid on every application, causing the brakes to fail. They kept changing master cylinders because they couldn't get their heads around their first diagnosis (which was probably correct). Unfortunately they rebuilt the brakes all around at the same time, but never suspected any of their work, and never broke down the wheel cylinders to mike the bores.
I bought another car the next week - just to get away from the only Ford dealer in the county.
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From: Waiting for next track day
Maybe the fuel pump isn't the problem. I had a Mustang mis-diagnosed with a faulty master cylinder by the dealer, and 13 new master cylinders failed to fix the problem. Every time it was "fixed" by the Ford dealer, the brake pedal would go to the floor by the time I got out of the driveway and to the light at the end of the block.
I started having the service manager drive it while I rode shotgun when I picked it up. It failed every time. Finally, I gave up on Ford, and a franchise brake shop found the problem in ten minutes - some monkey had honed the rear wheel cylinders and wobbled the shaft of the hone up and down when he did the left rear (drum) brake, producing an "hourglass" cylinder that poured out brake fluid on every application, causing the brakes to fail. They kept changing master cylinders because they couldn't get their heads around their first diagnosis (which was probably correct). Unfortunately they rebuilt the brakes all around at the same time, but never suspected any of their work, and never broke down the wheel cylinders to mike the bores.
I bought another car the next week - just to get away from the only Ford dealer in the county.
I started having the service manager drive it while I rode shotgun when I picked it up. It failed every time. Finally, I gave up on Ford, and a franchise brake shop found the problem in ten minutes - some monkey had honed the rear wheel cylinders and wobbled the shaft of the hone up and down when he did the left rear (drum) brake, producing an "hourglass" cylinder that poured out brake fluid on every application, causing the brakes to fail. They kept changing master cylinders because they couldn't get their heads around their first diagnosis (which was probably correct). Unfortunately they rebuilt the brakes all around at the same time, but never suspected any of their work, and never broke down the wheel cylinders to mike the bores.
I bought another car the next week - just to get away from the only Ford dealer in the county.
wow!! That sounds like a frustrating experience. If you cant trust the dealership to know what the hell to do then we are lost.
Maybe the fuel pump isn't the problem. I had a Mustang mis-diagnosed with a faulty master cylinder by the dealer, and 13 new master cylinders failed to fix the problem. Every time it was "fixed" by the Ford dealer, the brake pedal would go to the floor by the time I got out of the driveway and to the light at the end of the block.
I started having the service manager drive it while I rode shotgun when I picked it up. It failed every time. Finally, I gave up on Ford, and a franchise brake shop found the problem in ten minutes - some monkey had honed the rear wheel cylinders and wobbled the shaft of the hone up and down when he did the left rear (drum) brake, producing an "hourglass" cylinder that poured out brake fluid on every application, causing the brakes to fail. They kept changing master cylinders because they couldn't get their heads around their first diagnosis (which was probably correct). Unfortunately they rebuilt the brakes all around at the same time, but never suspected any of their work, and never broke down the wheel cylinders to mike the bores.
I bought another car the next week - just to get away from the only Ford dealer in the county.
I started having the service manager drive it while I rode shotgun when I picked it up. It failed every time. Finally, I gave up on Ford, and a franchise brake shop found the problem in ten minutes - some monkey had honed the rear wheel cylinders and wobbled the shaft of the hone up and down when he did the left rear (drum) brake, producing an "hourglass" cylinder that poured out brake fluid on every application, causing the brakes to fail. They kept changing master cylinders because they couldn't get their heads around their first diagnosis (which was probably correct). Unfortunately they rebuilt the brakes all around at the same time, but never suspected any of their work, and never broke down the wheel cylinders to mike the bores.
I bought another car the next week - just to get away from the only Ford dealer in the county.
I had a few long starts with a 335i I owned.
Warning signs which was the main reason I dumped the car.
From what I read on the BMW forums,once one pump goes,the odds are there will be multiple pumps going.
Warning signs which was the main reason I dumped the car.
From what I read on the BMW forums,once one pump goes,the odds are there will be multiple pumps going.
Pole Position
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http://www.bmw335iproblems-californi...ychooseus.html
William McGee represented my wife and I on her SLK55. A settlement was made in less than 4 months. They are all too familiar w/ BMW's HPFP issues. Give them a chance to review your case, you won't be disappointed.
William McGee represented my wife and I on her SLK55. A settlement was made in less than 4 months. They are all too familiar w/ BMW's HPFP issues. Give them a chance to review your case, you won't be disappointed.
The funny thing is,well no so funny,is that BMW upped the warranty on the fuel pumps to 10/120.They don't have a fix for over 4 years years now.
Problem is when the fuel pumps go,the fuel injectors have a problem in a short time in many cases and the injectors aren't covered and it's a $3500 replacement cost.
Problem is when the fuel pumps go,the fuel injectors have a problem in a short time in many cases and the injectors aren't covered and it's a $3500 replacement cost.
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http://www.bmw335iproblems-californi...ychooseus.html
William McGee represented my wife and I on her SLK55. A settlement was made in less than 4 months. They are all too familiar w/ BMW's HPFP issues. Give them a chance to review your case, you won't be disappointed.
William McGee represented my wife and I on her SLK55. A settlement was made in less than 4 months. They are all too familiar w/ BMW's HPFP issues. Give them a chance to review your case, you won't be disappointed.