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Old 06-04-10, 10:13 AM   #46
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YEH, Nissan's competitor to the Genesis is the Maxima and the Maxima is stomping all over the Genesis in sales.
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Old 06-04-10, 10:15 AM   #47
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^ The real question is: Would an IS and/or ES hybrid have more appeal?

My guess is yes.
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I agree with you as well. I think an IS hybrid (IS 450h) and especially an ES hybrid (ES 450h) would definitely bring more buyers to Lexus.

The ES alone with no other variations still outsells the IS with three variations. Adding an ES hybrid would increase sales of the ES...Toyota does have a Camry hybrid and an RX hybrid which all pretty much shares the same platform.
I agree with both of you.

An ES hybrid would sell an easy 2K a month (just like the RX hybrid does).

An IS hybrid probably wouldn't sell as well though, since the IS is already a tight car on the inside. The extra space the batteries would take up would make the IS's interior space laughable.
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Didn't we already have this "debate" already?

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I don't know why that would really matter for Infiniti. The Genesis costs 10-$25K less than the M so they really aren't direct competitors.
B/c some potential M buyers look and compare the two and opt to save their $$ and go w/ the Genesis.

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Exactly. The Genesis V-6 3.8 starts at $33,000. That is actually below the 335, IS 350, ES 350, HS 250 in price (as well as others).The V-6 M37 starts at $46,250. .
And the LS400 for the 1st couple of years started below a fully loaded E Class and was actually closer to the price of a fully loaded C Class (and no, I'm NOT comparing the Genesis to the LS).

Did that mean that the LS400 was not in the same segment as the S Class/7 Series or that Mercedes and BMW didn't have to worry about the LS stealing sales from their flagship?

As for the new M, sales have actually decreased since its 1st full month and that's even w/ Infiniti already putting a lot of $$ on the hood.

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YEH, Nissan's competitor to the Genesis is the Maxima and the Maxima is stomping all over the Genesis in sales.
So what does that make the Azera (well, the next gen Azera anways) and the Kia Cadenza?

Hyundai is working on a compact RWD sedan based on a shortened Genesis platform - is that to be compared to the Altima?
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Old 06-04-10, 12:48 PM   #50
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There are a lot of things that are very different about the Genesis when trying to draw any sort of parallel to the LS 400. I see a lot of Hyundai people drawing that comparison and it simply holds NO water, IMO.

The Genesis is a Hyundai-badged car with nice luxury features and solid powertrains, but it is still sold, serviced, and considered along side Accents and Elantras. I am NOT saying that it's not a good car but the life of the Genesis simply can't be compared to the LS and it has a lot to do with the fact that Lexus is a seperate brand, Hyundai is....Hyundai.
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There are a lot of things that are very different about the Genesis when trying to draw any sort of parallel to the LS 400. I see a lot of Hyundai people drawing that comparison and it simply holds NO water, IMO.
The price differentiation argument has no bearing whatsoever in comparing the Genesis to the LS (esp. since the Genesis is an E segment and not an F segment sedan like the LS).

The argument still stands that the LS400 was priced more like an E segment 9or even a D segment) luxury sedan than an F segment luxury sedan; but that still doesn't mean that it shouldn't have been compared to the other F segment sedans.

Likewise, the Genesis sedan is priced more like a D segment sedan, but that also means it isn't comparable to other E segment sedans just due to pricing.

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The Genesis is a Hyundai-badged car with nice luxury features and solid powertrains, but it is still sold, serviced, and considered along side Accents and Elantras. I am NOT saying that it's not a good car but the life of the Genesis simply can't be compared to the LS and it has a lot to do with the fact that Lexus is a seperate brand, Hyundai is....Hyundai.
Again, who's comparing the Genesis to the LS? (The Equus, otoh...).

Until 5 years ago, the LS and GS were sold as Toyotas in Japan (the Celsior and Aristo); does that bump the Japanese versions from the luxury threshold since they are "just" Toyotas.

The Toyota Century sits at the top of the Toyota/Lexus hierarchy; I guess it's not luxury due to the fact that it's a Toyota.

Same applies to the Toyota Crown Majesta, even tho, it is regarded as an F segment competitor (a segment above the GS).

The Infiniti G37 is "just" a Nissan Skyline; the Q45 is no longer available in the States, but it is still available in Japan as the Nissan Cima (I guess the Cima isn't "luxury"); the Acura TSX is just the Euro/JDM Accord; etc.
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Will you STOP WITH THE GENESIS vs LS comparisons!!! It is not close! You did the same thing in the March thread. Its NOT a debate at all.
Oh, my!!! lol

I don't know HOW many times I'm going to have to say this, but I'm NOT comparing the Genesis to the LS at all w/ respect to anything else but the pricing strategy.

Fine, let's take the Genesis out of the equation (to make it easier for you).

When the Equus launches in the US, it will be priced (despite being an F segment competitor) more in line w/ the E segment sedans.

That, however, doesn't mean that is an E segment sedan simply b/c it is priced like one (just like how the LS400 wasn't an E segment sedan when it was priced in the mid $30K range).

Hence, saying that the Genesis is a Maxima/Taurus/Avalon competitor (never mind the FWD/RWD diff.) purely based on price doesn't make sense since the Azera and Kia Cadenza compete in that segment.

Hyundai isn't so foolish as to have 2 models competing in the same segment.

If that's the case, then the Sonata is a Corolla competitor and the Elantra competes in the Yaris' segment.
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an ES hybrid would be too similar to the Camry Hybrid. Not only woul you have the same platform, you would have the same engine and drivetrain?
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an ES hybrid would be too similar to the Camry Hybrid. Not only woul you have the same platform, you would have the same engine and drivetrain?
But, the current ES and Camry V6 share platforms, engine and drivetrains and both sell well, so maybe there would be room for both.
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an ES hybrid would be too similar to the Camry Hybrid. Not only woul you have the same platform, you would have the same engine and drivetrain?
Same goes for the ES vs Camry now.
I think if a ES hybrid was around $4K more than the ES it would sell and this is coming from someone who wouldn't buy a hybrid.
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Camry hybrid is paired with a 4 cylinder. An ES hybrid would/should be paired with a V6 (a small one IMO), thus they would remain two different cars.

But I do agree a 4 cylinder ES hybrid would sell. However, lets see how the MKZ hybrid does. My guess is that it will do well.
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The hybrid in paired to the old 2.4 though right? I assume any new hybrid will get the newer 2.5?

The CT is clearly using the incredible Prius drivetrain/engine.
and yet the HS still uses the old 2.4. what were they thinking?
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