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Old May 23, 2010 | 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Nice review, (Cj). Having checked it out myself, I agree with many of your comments. The 4 is a little noisy and unrefined as it gets some revs but has relatively good spunk. I'm not a terribly big fan of either the new exterior or interior styling, but that, of course, is subjective. You are absolutely correct about the rear seat...for taller persons, I agree it is unacceptable, but that's more of a factor of the sharp drop-off of the humpback-whale roofline than of the rear seat itself (the roof is obviously done for purely style reasons rather than for function). It's not that the rear seat itself is so tiny, but that it's very difficult for many people to get in and out without banging your head or, once inside, having it push up on the ceiling.

Did you notice the superb paint job this car has, especially in the darker colors? Hyundai makes a big deal, in their Sonata ads, about paint quality...in this case, they're not kidding. IMO, it equals the also-superb paint job on the Camry, something that few other mid-sized cars in this price range can say.
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought the engine was a little rough and the rear passenger space was compromised.

I didn't really notice the paint job until you said something. It is pretty nice for an entry level car. It's no Lexus, but it's better than most. I've always thought that the Aura and Malibu had nice paint as well. They have a better shimmer than the Sonata IMO.
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Old May 23, 2010 | 11:00 AM
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I'm definitely not going to argue sales numbers, but most new cars in the class get a decent sales bump, most recent examples being the Fusion/Malibu/Accord.

It's great to know the specs, but as you eluded to, most buyers won't care about the actual statistical specifications. They will subjectively look at the car and compare it to other cars, and that's what I did.

I'm not in the market for a midsizer, but if I were and I had a family of 4, the Sonata wouldn't be the most appealing option. If I were single or if it was just me and a partner than the Sonata would make a lot more sense.

There's a decent amount of space upfront and the seats can travel pretty far back meaning that there is a lot of comfort for drivers and front passengers. That's why I mentioned in an above posts that this would be a great car for DINKs. Its a poor man's Passat CC.

The trunk space specifications surprise me, but it may be because the opening to the trunk is rather small (because of the vehicle's raked roof and short deck lid). A friend of mine has a Camry and he's able to transport his entire drumset around in the trunk without having to put the rear seats down. That's a feat that I doubt he'd be able to do in the Sonata...
A lot of surprising facts about the Sonata related to interior roominess and sales statistics/success. Agreed it's not my favorite car but I really have no plans to buy any car in this class near term. I also looked at it subjectively and understand it's success.

Yes we can all speculate about the possibility of sales bumps, comparisons to the Passat CC (which the Sonata outsells way over 5X already) and the appeal to family car buyers (when we aren't even in the market for a family car) and try to guess if a drum set fits in the huge trunk (like that's a typical feat for families), makes for good chit chat if nothing else. Sure, Hyundai traded some rear seat headroom for style and aerodynamics, but the sales success over the older boxier design speaks for itself. I'm sure there are some that wish the old Sonata body style still existed, but nobody that matters to Hyundai since they aren't real buyers.

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Old May 23, 2010 | 04:02 PM
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I didn't really notice the paint job until you said something. It is pretty nice for an entry level car. It's no Lexus, but it's better than most. I've always thought that the Aura and Malibu had nice paint as well. They have a better shimmer than the Sonata IMO.
Depends on the color. Light colors (especially white and White Pearl) don't usually have as much shine as darker ones, although White Pearl often has a beautiful texture. But the darker Sonata colors can really sparkle. A neighbor of mine has a new 2011 with the red metallic, and it is as smooth, glossy and jewel-like as many Toyota/Lexus paint jobs I've seen.

Black, though, for many vehicles (not just the Sonata), seems to be about the hardest color to do smoothly.....it tends to have orange peel.
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Old May 23, 2010 | 04:05 PM
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Sure, Hyundai traded some rear seat headroom for style and aerodynamics, but the sales success over the older boxier design speaks for itself. I'm sure there are some that wish the old Sonata body style still existed, but nobody that matters to Hyundai since they aren't real buyers.
There were, however, quite a few buyers of the old design. It didn't quite sell in Camry/Acccord numbers (what other car does?), but, in general, was definitely a success in the American market. No one can claim that it was a flop.
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Old May 23, 2010 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by (Cj)
The rear seat was a joke IMO. It had as much space (maybe less come to think of it) then a Civic/Corolla in the back. That's completely unacceptable in this class of car. My head was brushing the top of the car and I myself am below average in height. The legroom was equally bad, especially if the front seat were to be put all the way back.

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sounds just like the crosstour...

Im also below average height for my age (19, 5'4") and hit my head slightly when getting into the ZDX/Crosstour...
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Old May 23, 2010 | 05:37 PM
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Here's a quick update post-roadtrip:

The steering is a bit too light for my taste, but that seems to be common nowadays.

The brakes have held up fantastically. Not much fade or wear on the break pads (something I'v experienced with some Hondas).

The engine is still a bit too loud and rough, but there isn't much road/wind/tire noise.

I noticed a few dash pieces didn't quite lineup, and there is some overlap and some gaps in some of the dash pieces, but I don't expect Lexus/Audi/Mercedes levels of attention to detail in a sub-$20K car.

One surprising thing was the huge gap in the steering wheel column area (picture posted below).

Lastly, I've gotten a lot of comments on the car. Things like that's a nice car etc etc. But one thing that struck me was TWICE 2 different people have asked me if it's a Toyota or a Camry

I'm not kidding the first person asked if it was a Toyota and I said no it's a Hyundai, then they said "Oh it's a Honda! I love those cars!"

The next other person was completely unrelated in a whole nother town and they gasped and asked me if that was a Camry and I replied no it's the new Sonata. The look of glee immediately left her face and she was like "//oh."

Anyway here's a pic of the gap in the steering column:
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Old May 23, 2010 | 05:50 PM
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Anyway here's a pic of the gap in the steering column:
There's also a conventional, side-column ignition switch.........this, at a time when all cars should (IMO) be converting to proximity keys and Engine START/STOP buttons. More and more customers are going to expect this, just like they did with A/C and power locks/mirrors/windows....that's why they became virtually standard on all but the very cheapest cars.
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Old May 23, 2010 | 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
There's also a conventional, side-column ignition switch.........this, at a time when all cars should (IMO) be converting to proximity keys and Engine START/STOP buttons. More and more customers are going to expect this, just like they did with A/C and power locks/mirrors/windows....that's why they became virtually standard on all but the very cheapest cars.
Keep in mind that this is likely a base model Sonata since I'm renting it. The higher level trims might have something like that?

The model I have doesn't even have keyless engine start.
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Old May 23, 2010 | 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
There were, however, quite a few buyers of the old design. It didn't quite sell in Camry/Acccord numbers (what other car does?), but, in general, was definitely a success in the American market. No one can claim that it was a flop.
Nobody said it was a flop here, so no kidding nobody can claim it was a flop, lol.

In general, the new Sonata is easily outselling the previous model, that's the facts. Therefore (and simply put) more people are buying the new model. Yes, it's quite an accomplishment to ramp up sales of an already successful car to a new higher level of sales. Successful car companies strive to improve on the product and the resulting sales numbers too.

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Old May 23, 2010 | 06:59 PM
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Either its just me or the pictures but those seats color looks disgusting
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Old May 23, 2010 | 07:05 PM
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CJ - Good observations on the 4 banger lack of smoothness and decent engine sound quality. I find the Camry and Accord 4 bangers to be barely acceptable in terms of smoothness and refinement, nearly all other 4 bangers fail to meet my personal criteria and requirements for NVH.
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Originally Posted by (Cj)
...Lastly, I've gotten a lot of comments on the car. Things like that's a nice car etc etc. But one thing that struck me was TWICE 2 different people have asked me if it's a Toyota or a Camry ...
And I think that's an amazing complement for Hyundai. I travel a lot for work, and via Hertz or Avis I've always gotten a chance to drive Sonatas. I too just drove the new Sonata (Avis rental) and have also driven some of the Nissan Sentra and Altimas. The Hyundai has far better interior and exterior materials and design quality than either cars. Granted I agree the engine is a bit rough, but so are the Nissans. Kudos to Hyundai for quickly catching up to their competition.
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Originally Posted by lamar411
Either its just me or the pictures but those seats color looks disgusting
The seat color is a bit different but it's not disgusting. It's more like a saddle or dark tan. It's not the beige color you normally see in Toyota/Lexus. The color is more common in Hondas.

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CJ - Good observations on the 4 banger lack of smoothness and decent engine sound quality. I find the Camry and Accord 4 bangers to be barely acceptable in terms of smoothness and refinement, nearly all other 4 bangers fail to meet my personal criteria and requirements for NVH.
I've driven Camry and Accord and their I4s are a bit quieter, smoother, and more refined than the Sonatas. I don't find any of them unbearable but that's just my opinion.

The Sonata does beat the Accord in road/wind noise though, but the Camry is overall still the quietest in the class.
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Old May 24, 2010 | 05:54 AM
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And I think that's an amazing complement for Hyundai. I travel a lot for work, and via Hertz or Avis I've always gotten a chance to drive Sonatas. I too just drove the new Sonata (Avis rental) and have also driven some of the Nissan Sentra and Altimas. The Hyundai has far better interior and exterior materials and design quality than either cars. Granted I agree the engine is a bit rough, but so are the Nissans. Kudos to Hyundai for quickly catching up to their competition.
I've never liked Nissan interiors. The Sentra is the worst in both design and materials in my opinion. Hyundai did a good job with the interior design, but the materials and fit and finish of the interior isn't anything special in my eyes.

I think Mazda does a pretty good job with their interiors, as well as Honda and Toyota.
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Originally Posted by IS-SV
CJ - Good observations on the 4 banger lack of smoothness and decent engine sound quality. I find the Camry and Accord 4 bangers to be barely acceptable in terms of smoothness and refinement, nearly all other 4 bangers fail to meet my personal criteria and requirements for NVH.
Toyota/Honda 4-bangers, though, in general, tend to have smooth, quiet idles, more so than those from most other manufacturers. If they fail to meet your personal standards of NVH, you won't find much better in terms of 4-cylinder refinement...........4-cylinder powerplants are probably just not for you.
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