Hyundai Official Recall thread (updated turbo recall)
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Nevertheless, the idea that Hyundai's aggressive growth is resulting in some sort of bad karma is kind of absurd.
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No one ever said they were. Production and design glitches are part and parcel of new model introductions. They are to be expected. But now with such media scrutiny on every single defect a car has, Hyundai is making sure this doesn't snowball into a major snafu which the media can feed on.
Nevertheless, the idea that Hyundai's aggressive growth is resulting in some sort of bad karma is kind of absurd.
Nevertheless, the idea that Hyundai's aggressive growth is resulting in some sort of bad karma is kind of absurd.
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http://www.businessweek.com/magazine...5048450463.htm
They are building a new headquarters in South Korea which is claimed to be a "command center" bigger than CNN's newsroom. It's supposed to have tons of video screens and live camera footage of shipyards where their cars are loaded, assembly plants, and other Hyundai operations.
What's really amazing is that the headquarters is a skyscraper! Hyundai is building an entire skyscraper to be used as a headquarters, and it's going to be one of the tallest buildings in South Korea at 110 stories.
There is this CL thread talking about the skyscraper:
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...percity-2.html
An automaker building their own massive skyscraper; if that's not arrogance, I don't know what is.
There are other things, such as Hyundai's insistence on continually comparing their mainstream mass-market vehicles to luxury vehicles.
Hyundai also seems to be ignoring/rejecting previous generations of their vehicles, and that is not good for customer loyalty.
The new Sonata is a huge change from the previous-gen Sonata, so much so that they almost look like two completely different vehicles, not part of the same model line. Making such radical changes prevents tradition from being formed, and for solid customer loyalty to form and be maintained long-term.
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Well, I would agree with you then that you don't know what arrogance is.
Here are some real examples of arrogance from a car company from a recent Yahoo article on the hubris of Toyota:
As we're learning, Toyota started to feel it didn't have to abide by the same rules as everybody else. It's still not clear what exact problems may have caused episodes of "unintended acceleration" in some of the carmaker's most popular models, but it's obvious that Toyota refused to acknowledge problems and resisted costly recalls until there was virtually no choice. Toyota missed warning signs, too: consumer complaints dating back years, government investigations, and gradual declines in Toyota's quality ratings. Toyota dismissed thousands of customers who complained about ruinous sludge buildup in their engines and other problems, convinced that it knew better and that its famed engineering was above reproach.
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Yes, I think an automaker building a skyscraper is very arrogant. An automaker has no need for a skyscraper; this is nothing more than showing off and rubbing it in the competition's faces. What does a skyscraper mainly accomplish? First and foremost it draws attention.
Can you name me any other automaker that has built a skyscraper before? I will answer that for you, there are none. Automakers and skyscrapers have nothing to do with each other. What's next, is Hyundai going to build a supermarket?
I think there are far better things Hyundai can spend that money on; like increasing their R&D budget, or things like improving their dealerships.
Did you read that Businessweek article? Interesting you have no comments on that.
Here is a great quote from it:
Now THAT is definitely what one would call arrogant. Rarely listening to the advice of others, and not tolerating disagreement, sure sounds like textbook arrogance to me.
Can you name me any other automaker that has built a skyscraper before? I will answer that for you, there are none. Automakers and skyscrapers have nothing to do with each other. What's next, is Hyundai going to build a supermarket?
I think there are far better things Hyundai can spend that money on; like increasing their R&D budget, or things like improving their dealerships.
Did you read that Businessweek article? Interesting you have no comments on that.
Here is a great quote from it:
According to several current and former managers, Hyundai Chairman Chung Mong Koo, Kia's Ahn, and other top executives run the companies in a far more authoritarian style than do most American CEOs. The critics say his team micromanages details, rarely listens to advice from local managers, and displays little tolerance for disagreement. "It's a very feudal approach to management," says Bob Martin, a former sales executive who left Hyundai in 2005 to become a consultant at CarLab, a Santa Ana (Calif.) consulting firm. "There's a king, he rules, and everyone curries his favor. It's very militaristic."
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Yes, I think an automaker building a skyscraper is very arrogant. An automaker has no need for a skyscraper; this is nothing more than showing off and rubbing it in the competition's faces. What does a skyscraper mainly accomplish? First and foremost it draws attention.
Can you name me any other automaker that has built a skyscraper before? I will answer that for you, there are none.
Can you name me any other automaker that has built a skyscraper before? I will answer that for you, there are none.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyscraper
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I do know that Hyundai is notorious for setting unrealistically high market share goals for the U.S. and, if they're not met, the head of the U.S. division is unceremoniously dumped, no excuses accepted, no questions asked and no allowing for external forces such as a tanking economy. That position has been a revolving door for most of the decade. The current guy (John Krafcic) has outlasted his predecessors only because Hyundai has truly been on a roll for the last couple of years.
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Regardless, the Sonatas are getting fixed before such event. IMO it's a wise corporate decision to do the fixes.
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Yes, I think an automaker building a skyscraper is very arrogant. An automaker has no need for a skyscraper; this is nothing more than showing off and rubbing it in the competition's faces. What does a skyscraper mainly accomplish? First and foremost it draws attention.
Can you name me any other automaker that has built a skyscraper before? I will answer that for you, there are none. Automakers and skyscrapers have nothing to do with each other. What's next, is Hyundai going to build a supermarket?
I think there are far better things Hyundai can spend that money on; like increasing their R&D budget, or things like improving their dealerships.
Did you read that Businessweek article? Interesting you have no comments on that.
Here is a great quote from it:
Now THAT is definitely what one would call arrogant. Rarely listening to the advice of others, and not tolerating disagreement, sure sounds like textbook arrogance to me.
Can you name me any other automaker that has built a skyscraper before? I will answer that for you, there are none. Automakers and skyscrapers have nothing to do with each other. What's next, is Hyundai going to build a supermarket?
I think there are far better things Hyundai can spend that money on; like increasing their R&D budget, or things like improving their dealerships.
Did you read that Businessweek article? Interesting you have no comments on that.
Here is a great quote from it:
Now THAT is definitely what one would call arrogant. Rarely listening to the advice of others, and not tolerating disagreement, sure sounds like textbook arrogance to me.
Hyundai is not simply an automaker in Korea. It is a huge business conglomerate made up of many, MANY different groups. Hyundai Motor Corp is but ONE group.
Here are several more of Hyundai's branches:
* Hyundai Construction Equipment India Pvt. Ltd.
* Hyundai Asan
* Hyundai Elevator
* Hyundai Logistics
* Hyundai Merchant Marine
* Hyundai Securities
* Hyundai Research Institute
* Hyundai U&I
Let's not forget Hyundai Group, Hyundai Kia Automotive Group, Hyundai Department Store Group, Hyundai Heavy Industries Group, and Hyundai Development Group.
Is Hyundai going to build a supermarket? No need... that was done WAY long ago friend.
Arrogance? Hardly.
Doesn't Toyota have a city or something called Toyota World? I forget which. If a skyscraper is a sign of arrogance, what is a whole city?
Point: Hyundai as a company is MUCH BIGGER than just an automotive manufacturer.