Lexus SC 430 to End Production, Japanese Special Edition Revealed
01-21-10, 11:52 AM
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too little too late.
while having a VERY nice interior, the model should NEVER have had back 'seats' (yeah i know it might lower insurance, but on a car like this it's irrelevant), or the most hideous rims ever put on a vehicle for the first few years.
the car had LOADS of potential but they didn't update it, the 4.3/tranny combo were lazy and slow, and the suspension was weak.
and for lexus to not have a successor right now is kinda sad.
while having a VERY nice interior, the model should NEVER have had back 'seats' (yeah i know it might lower insurance, but on a car like this it's irrelevant), or the most hideous rims ever put on a vehicle for the first few years.
the car had LOADS of potential but they didn't update it, the 4.3/tranny combo were lazy and slow, and the suspension was weak.
and for lexus to not have a successor right now is kinda sad.
01-21-10, 11:56 AM
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Sorry, I'm from the Colin Chapman school of thought 
. "Add lightness, simplify". If it's good @4100lbs, It will be better at 3600lbs. Any cars dynamic abilities would be better in a lighter package. Less roll, less yaw, less tyre wear, less fuel and brake consumption. Not saying that heavy can't be good, but lighter is almost always better.
p.s. The E93 really eights 4100lbs?
. "Add lightness, simplify". If it's good @4100lbs, It will be better at 3600lbs. Any cars dynamic abilities would be better in a lighter package. Less roll, less yaw, less tyre wear, less fuel and brake consumption. Not saying that heavy can't be good, but lighter is almost always better.p.s. The E93 really eights 4100lbs?
01-21-10, 12:09 PM
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Sorry, I'm from the Colin Chapman school of thought . "Add lightness, simplify". If it's good @4100lbs, It will be better at 3600lbs. Any cars dynamic abilities would be better in a lighter package. Less roll, less yaw, less tyre wear, less fuel and brake consumption. Not saying that heavy can't be good, but lighter is almost always better.
p.s. The E93 really eights 4100lbs?
. "Add lightness, simplify". If it's good @4100lbs, It will be better at 3600lbs. Any cars dynamic abilities would be better in a lighter package. Less roll, less yaw, less tyre wear, less fuel and brake consumption. Not saying that heavy can't be good, but lighter is almost always better.p.s. The E93 really eights 4100lbs?
01-21-10, 12:17 PM
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Sorry, I'm from the Colin Chapman school of thought . "Add lightness, simplify". If it's good @4100lbs, It will be better at 3600lbs. Any cars dynamic abilities would be better in a lighter package. Less roll, less yaw, less tyre wear, less fuel and brake consumption. Not saying that heavy can't be good, but lighter is almost always better.
p.s. The E93 really eights 4100lbs?
. "Add lightness, simplify". If it's good @4100lbs, It will be better at 3600lbs. Any cars dynamic abilities would be better in a lighter package. Less roll, less yaw, less tyre wear, less fuel and brake consumption. Not saying that heavy can't be good, but lighter is almost always better.p.s. The E93 really eights 4100lbs?
back to sc. i agree, if they can take out any weight that'd be cool, but for the gs/sc platform, i just have a feeling it's going to be around 4000lb
01-21-10, 12:28 PM
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IS350C performance numbers are not that far off from the sedan. I would expect the same if there was the 5.0L in it.
01-21-10, 12:49 PM
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is350 and is350c about 350lb apart. with the 5l, i say about .3 to .4 slower to 60. that's the case for m3. but it's more than just the engine though. coz' of the extra weight in the back (quite some weight), suspension has to be re-tuned and analyzed in order to try maintain the balance.
01-21-10, 12:50 PM
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too little too late.
while having a VERY nice interior, the model should NEVER have had back 'seats' (yeah i know it might lower insurance, but on a car like this it's irrelevant), or the most hideous rims ever put on a vehicle for the first few years.
the car had LOADS of potential but they didn't update it, the 4.3/tranny combo were lazy and slow, and the suspension was weak.
and for lexus to not have a successor right now is kinda sad.
while having a VERY nice interior, the model should NEVER have had back 'seats' (yeah i know it might lower insurance, but on a car like this it's irrelevant), or the most hideous rims ever put on a vehicle for the first few years.
the car had LOADS of potential but they didn't update it, the 4.3/tranny combo were lazy and slow, and the suspension was weak.
and for lexus to not have a successor right now is kinda sad.
01-21-10, 01:40 PM
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too little too late was a few years back. Although a nice car it is no where near the rest of its competition in terms of power, handling, acceleration, braking, the list goes on and on. The SC is ancient. I cant remember another car that ran for 10 years with no body change ( just minor refreshes to hopefully boost stagnant sales). The design team for the SC is lazier than the guys at Porsche
NSX?
Lambo Diablo?
Lambo Gallardo?
Lambo Murcielago?
I could go on.....
01-21-10, 11:35 PM
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I am not so sure we will see another SC for a while. The SC430 was the perfect car for 2002-2008....people were making lots of money...everything has changed, Lexus has become considerably less prestigous than before. Lexus has carefully moved most of its lineup to a starting price of less than $50k. A new SC if built the traditional way (V8 engines, overdone interior, etc) will start at $75k...there just is no market for a car like the SC.
01-21-10, 11:48 PM
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I am not so sure we will see another SC for a while. The SC430 was the perfect car for 2002-2008....people were making lots of money...everything has changed, Lexus has become considerably less prestigous than before. Lexus has carefully moved most of its lineup to a starting price of less than $50k. A new SC if built the traditional way (V8 engines, overdone interior, etc) will start at $75k...there just is no market for a car like the SC.
A new SC that is equipped and priced like a G37c would go over very well and I hope that's the direction Lexus goes with the next one.
01-21-10, 11:56 PM
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The G37 starts at $43k..the 10 year old SC starts at $68k...
What you are saying is move the SC down to a less prestigous price point
01-22-10, 12:32 AM
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anyway, sc430 comes pretty much loaded with everything, unless other lexus (or brands) with a much lower "starting price" with options to follow. it's moot point to compare the starting point. i am not going to spend my time in going into the discussion about brand, i will talk when things set in
01-22-10, 01:47 AM
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I'm not sure, but it's one idea. And as another mentioned, if Jag and others can make a $75k+ coupe work, so could Lexus. There are many posibilities. I look back on the first SC and it's raging success, wishng Lexus kept the second gen more affordable and with a V6 option.