Nissan Leaf tour (sold out)
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How do you figure?For one, they shouldn't be compared. They are two different types of drive train. The Volt is far more complex as it still has a small gas engine generator on board to extend the Volt's range much farther than the Leaf. The Volt is also marketed as a more upscale car inside and out.
No way in hell.
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Exactly. That was one of the points I was making. These 450V quick-charge stations could replace (or augment) the traditional gas-station. And, if you didn't want to (or need to) wait for a full 20-minute charge, you could pay only for a partial charge, or for the amount of power you actually use. In that sense, it would be like a traditional gas pump....just with an electric-plug instead. It would have a built-in meter the amount (and cost) of the power you used. But all this, of course, is contingent on, first, the automakers and utility companies perfecting the 450V chargers, and, second, owners and buisnesses being willing to pay for them (or the government proving tax credits and other assistance).
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How do you figure?For one, they shouldn't be compared. They are two different types of drive train. The Volt is far more complex as it still has a small gas engine generator on board to extend the Volt's range much farther than the Leaf. The Volt is also marketed as a more upscale car inside and out.
Most of the Volt's marketing surrounds its 40 mile electric range, not the fact it also has that small gas engine as well. Yes, its overall range will be significantly higher than the Leaf--but GM's whole idea all along is that most people on a daily basis don't NEED more than 40 miles of range to get to and from work.
The Nissan accomplishes this for significantly less money than the Volt. The icing on the cake is that is has a potential electric range more than 200% higher than the Volt's.
Also, while the Volt might be somewhat more upscale than the Leaf, its interior, based on photos, looks nowhere close to what you'd expect in a $40,000 car.
Plus, as is pointed out sometimes here...the common mass-market American driver doesn't seem to pay much attention to interior/exterior materials.
The Volt looks somewhat better than the Leaf, I'll give you that, but I wouldn't call either of them attractive cars from an aesthetic standpoint.
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While it's true they do have different drive trains, they're both being marketed as vehicles that will "change" the way we drive. To me, the Nissan, being a full electric car, is more progressive than the Volt.
Most of the Volt's marketing surrounds its 40 mile electric range, not the fact it also has that small gas engine as well. Yes, its overall range will be significantly higher than the Leaf--but GM's whole idea all along is that most people on a daily basis don't NEED more than 40 miles of range to get to and from work.
The Nissan accomplishes this for significantly less money than the Volt. The icing on the cake is that is has a potential electric range more than 200% higher than the Volt's.
Also, while the Volt might be somewhat more upscale than the Leaf, its interior, based on photos, looks nowhere close to what you'd expect in a $40,000 car.
Plus, as is pointed out sometimes here...the common mass-market American driver doesn't seem to pay much attention to interior/exterior materials.
The Volt looks somewhat better than the Leaf, I'll give you that, but I wouldn't call either of them attractive cars from an aesthetic standpoint.
Most of the Volt's marketing surrounds its 40 mile electric range, not the fact it also has that small gas engine as well. Yes, its overall range will be significantly higher than the Leaf--but GM's whole idea all along is that most people on a daily basis don't NEED more than 40 miles of range to get to and from work.
The Nissan accomplishes this for significantly less money than the Volt. The icing on the cake is that is has a potential electric range more than 200% higher than the Volt's.
Also, while the Volt might be somewhat more upscale than the Leaf, its interior, based on photos, looks nowhere close to what you'd expect in a $40,000 car.
Plus, as is pointed out sometimes here...the common mass-market American driver doesn't seem to pay much attention to interior/exterior materials.
The Volt looks somewhat better than the Leaf, I'll give you that, but I wouldn't call either of them attractive cars from an aesthetic standpoint.
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Have you actually SEEN it, or are you just commenting from pictures/articles?
Nissan was supposed to have it at the D.C. Show in January, but they ended up splitting it between the D.C. and overlapping Philly shows, and I didn't get to see it on the days I was there.
Hope you got to see it in Atlanta.
Nissan was supposed to have it at the D.C. Show in January, but they ended up splitting it between the D.C. and overlapping Philly shows, and I didn't get to see it on the days I was there.
Hope you got to see it in Atlanta.
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Have you actually SEEN it, or are you just commenting from pictures/articles?
Nissan was supposed to have it at the D.C. Show in January, but they ended up splitting it between the D.C. and overlapping Philly shows, and I didn't get to see it on the days I was there.
Hope you got to see it in Atlanta.
Nissan was supposed to have it at the D.C. Show in January, but they ended up splitting it between the D.C. and overlapping Philly shows, and I didn't get to see it on the days I was there.
Hope you got to see it in Atlanta.
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Means absolutely nothing. No one bought anything, instead they put there name on a list that shows interest with a refundable $100. We shall see how that holds up once it goes on sale.
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Yes, the deposit is refundable but I wouldn't say this means "absolutely nothing". If anything, it shows the amount of interest in the vehicle. The sell-out is all the more impressive considering there has been no advertisement and no one has even yet driven the car. If it lives up to its promise I'd say they have a hit on their hands.
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