assumption at its best. No one knows why hyundai named BK a genesis coupe. maybe hyundai is hinting a new luxury brand? maybe they couldn't think of a better name? maybe it was just too good to be called a tiburon?

who knows...

anyway, hype doesn't always translate to sales. but hype does help the brand's perception. these two cars are worthy of massive hype. it's great friggin cars. if you haven't driven one go ahead and try it. you wouldn't believe how far hyundai has come. genesis won the most awards, and gen coupe held its own against many great cars. both of these cars aren't perfect, but it's a sign of a promising future. these two cars brought nothing but positive for hyundai. just think about it. before these two cars, they were just a value brand with boring lineups.

 

Assumption, based on common sense.

Yes, the Genesis coupe and sedan are the best thing since sliced bread, and they are monumental products for Hyundai, we get it .

 

Top 10 sales - Japan

1. Toyota Prius - 31,728
2. Honda Fit - 17,241
3. Toyota Vitz - 12,731
4. Toyota Passo - 10,792
5. Honda Insight - 10,289
6. Honda Freed - 9,123
7. Nissan Note - 9,091
8. Nissan Serena - 8,827
9. Nissan Cube - 7,632
10. Toyota Wish - 7,468

 

Damn the Prius is outselling the Insight 3 to one there.
4 Toyotas
3 Hondas
3 Nissans. The 3 Nissans don't equal Prius sales either.

 

Even in the Japanese market, the Insight is flopping in comparison to the Prius. Insight sales are way below expectations, Honda must be very disappointed.

Toyota has been by far, number one in sales, market share, influence, etc. in Japan for a long time. Honda historically was usually number two, but a few years ago they lost their 2nd place in the market to Nissan and dropped to 3rd, but regained it not that long ago. It's still very close between Nissan and Honda though in the Japanese market.

 

Wow. The Prius sales are just as good as the Camry's here. Thats pretty huge!

 

TRDFantasy,

In relation to the Pruis, sure the Insight in Japan and in the states is not selling well, but the original sales goal for the Insight in Japan was 60,000 units. The Insight is currently doubling it's sales goal in Japan. They are nowhere near their US goals though.

 

fact: i don't care.

the first part, when you say 'one of', by the same logic you could say ALL but the highest selling are the lowest selling, but whatever, the FACT is you think hyundai has failed with the genesis and i don't.

the second part is your opinion, i don't consider it 'entry level'. it's rwd and offers a V8, making it more GS (only better value) than ES (a buick that works).

um, yeah, ok. have you run a business or done sales forecasting or marketing?

nice put down of, whoever they are, , but whatever.

absurd comparisons IMO because those vehicles have been on the market for a decade or more, and gone through many iterations and are sold by dedicated luxury brands. plus a TL isn't comparable to a genesis. but keep drinking the koolaid. see, i don't care about hyundai's projections, i only care about your beloved 'facts', and to sell ANY significant amount of a NEW luxury car, under a brand not known for it, in one of the worst economies in memory, is IMO, remarkable. but you see it as an epic failure, so okay.

ok, somehow i miscalced on lexus, so lexus is similar to bmw in 3 models accounting for 4/5ths of sales. while nothing to weep about, and given the age of the other models i'm sure lexus doesn't expect much more.

but you did bring up the fact.

how's that charm school going?

you think the genesis is a failure, because it hasn't met hyundai's announced sales projections, and i don't.

have a nice day.

 

Price range is not opinion, the car's price range is fact. It is a FACT that the Lexus GS is in a different price range. It is also a FACT that the Genesis price range puts it squarely in the entry-level luxury segment.

Yes, I have. Why does this matter in this discussion?

In size, price range, interior volume, market segment, the TL is very comparable to the Genesis, as is the Infiniti G37 sedan.

You did a great job contradicting yourself, because here you said earlier:

So are these "absurd" comparisons, and is the TL not comparable, or would Acura, Audi, and Infiniti love to have Genesis sales? Which is it ?

 

There have been some months where the Insight in Japan has sold under 10,000 units a month. They are above their sales goal currently, but they are not doubling their sales in Japan.

 

G37 yes, TL no. i don't believe ANYONE would cross shop the TL and the Genesis. the Genesis competes more with RL than TL. but let's just agree to disagree and drop it.

nothing contradictory - my point is, those luxury brands, given their (low) sales levels today, would love to have another model or two in their line-up that sell 1500 units a month. they'd love to add such a 'failure' to their numbers.

 

What's your reason(s) behind that statement?

I am just curious because I would think it's the other way around, more people cross shop Genesis and TL than Genesis and G37.

 

I don't think the Genesis and RL get cross shopped because no one is shopping for the RL

 

They might be shopping...Just not buying.

 

39 GS hybrids, and 21 LS hybrids were sold for the month.

That is a huge jump actually for GS hybrid sales compared to October 2008. LS hybrid sales are down, but that is to be expected as almost all vehicles in the prestige luxury segment are down.

Also 1,407 Camry hybrids and 700 Highlander hybrids were sold for the month.

It's quite amazing, but after the Prius the best-selling hybrids from Toyota were the HS and the RX hybrid for the month.