New BMW M5 F10 (updated, official spec and link in #205)
09-27-09, 11:26 AM
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09-27-09, 11:48 AM
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Definitely 600+hp (current engine: 5.0 TT FSI V10 already has 580 horses). Heck, if Audi is really insane, then such insanity may make them crave for 700 horses. Bloody insane
09-27-09, 11:53 AM
#49
Whatever the final numbers, I'm sure the performance will be staggering.
It's the looks I'm concerned about. From what I can tell, BMW is toning down the car. Much like they did with the 7 series. That's not good. That boring and bland. Back to the understated stuff of yesteryear.
We need Bangle.
It's the looks I'm concerned about. From what I can tell, BMW is toning down the car. Much like they did with the 7 series. That's not good. That boring and bland. Back to the understated stuff of yesteryear.
We need Bangle.
09-27-09, 07:08 PM
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You guys with the manual fixation are rapidly becoming dinosaurs. I just spent the weekend watching the fastest sportscars in the world, and not one of them had a stick. Imagine that!
Direct human controlled manual gearboxes are dying rapidly and for good reason. Humans don't know how to shift, don't know how to heel/toe, and can't possibly change gears as faultlessly as the offerings we have now. 10 years from now only ancient tech cars will have full manuals without computer control.
And no, I don't need any comments about my ability to drive a manual - I learned to drive a stick 43 years ago and I've owned a LOT of manuals - still own a TT Supra so I can get my manual fix anytime, but I have to say, my IS-F has never missed a shift and never let me over/under rev the engine. I surely can't say the same for the Supra as much as I enjoy driving it.
M5? Nice car for someone who wants a sedan. Beat a 911? Seriously? Where are you getting your drugs, I need some of what you're doing!
Direct human controlled manual gearboxes are dying rapidly and for good reason. Humans don't know how to shift, don't know how to heel/toe, and can't possibly change gears as faultlessly as the offerings we have now. 10 years from now only ancient tech cars will have full manuals without computer control.
And no, I don't need any comments about my ability to drive a manual - I learned to drive a stick 43 years ago and I've owned a LOT of manuals - still own a TT Supra so I can get my manual fix anytime, but I have to say, my IS-F has never missed a shift and never let me over/under rev the engine. I surely can't say the same for the Supra as much as I enjoy driving it.
M5? Nice car for someone who wants a sedan. Beat a 911? Seriously? Where are you getting your drugs, I need some of what you're doing!
09-27-09, 07:12 PM
#51
You guys with the manual fixation are rapidly becoming dinosaurs. I just spent the weekend watching the fastest sportscars in the world, and not one of them had a stick. Imagine that!
Direct human controlled manual gearboxes are dying rapidly and for good reason. Humans don't know how to shift, don't know how to heel/toe, and can't possibly change gears as faultlessly as the offerings we have now. 10 years from now only ancient tech cars will have full manuals without computer control.
Direct human controlled manual gearboxes are dying rapidly and for good reason. Humans don't know how to shift, don't know how to heel/toe, and can't possibly change gears as faultlessly as the offerings we have now. 10 years from now only ancient tech cars will have full manuals without computer control.
09-28-09, 01:52 AM
#52
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I agree the manual shifting of yesteryear is more involved and satisfying if you do it well, but the new trannys allow for insane shift speeds and precision with the luxury of rev matching and even sequential shifters like a race car
09-28-09, 07:42 AM
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You guys with the manual fixation are rapidly becoming dinosaurs. I just spent the weekend watching the fastest sportscars in the world, and not one of them had a stick. Imagine that!
Direct human controlled manual gearboxes are dying rapidly and for good reason. Humans don't know how to shift, don't know how to heel/toe, and can't possibly change gears as faultlessly as the offerings we have now. 10 years from now only ancient tech cars will have full manuals without computer control.
And no, I don't need any comments about my ability to drive a manual - I learned to drive a stick 43 years ago and I've owned a LOT of manuals - still own a TT Supra so I can get my manual fix anytime, but I have to say, my IS-F has never missed a shift and never let me over/under rev the engine. I surely can't say the same for the Supra as much as I enjoy driving it.
M5? Nice car for someone who wants a sedan. Beat a 911? Seriously? Where are you getting your drugs, I need some of what you're doing!
Direct human controlled manual gearboxes are dying rapidly and for good reason. Humans don't know how to shift, don't know how to heel/toe, and can't possibly change gears as faultlessly as the offerings we have now. 10 years from now only ancient tech cars will have full manuals without computer control.
And no, I don't need any comments about my ability to drive a manual - I learned to drive a stick 43 years ago and I've owned a LOT of manuals - still own a TT Supra so I can get my manual fix anytime, but I have to say, my IS-F has never missed a shift and never let me over/under rev the engine. I surely can't say the same for the Supra as much as I enjoy driving it.
M5? Nice car for someone who wants a sedan. Beat a 911? Seriously? Where are you getting your drugs, I need some of what you're doing!
09-28-09, 07:46 AM
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09-28-09, 08:21 AM
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You guys with the manual fixation are rapidly becoming dinosaurs. I just spent the weekend watching the fastest sportscars in the world, and not one of them had a stick. Imagine that!
Direct human controlled manual gearboxes are dying rapidly and for good reason. Humans don't know how to shift, don't know how to heel/toe, and can't possibly change gears as faultlessly as the offerings we have now. 10 years from now only ancient tech cars will have full manuals without computer control.
And no, I don't need any comments about my ability to drive a manual - I learned to drive a stick 43 years ago and I've owned a LOT of manuals - still own a TT Supra so I can get my manual fix anytime, but I have to say, my IS-F has never missed a shift and never let me over/under rev the engine. I surely can't say the same for the Supra as much as I enjoy driving it.
M5? Nice car for someone who wants a sedan. Beat a 911? Seriously? Where are you getting your drugs, I need some of what you're doing!
Direct human controlled manual gearboxes are dying rapidly and for good reason. Humans don't know how to shift, don't know how to heel/toe, and can't possibly change gears as faultlessly as the offerings we have now. 10 years from now only ancient tech cars will have full manuals without computer control.
And no, I don't need any comments about my ability to drive a manual - I learned to drive a stick 43 years ago and I've owned a LOT of manuals - still own a TT Supra so I can get my manual fix anytime, but I have to say, my IS-F has never missed a shift and never let me over/under rev the engine. I surely can't say the same for the Supra as much as I enjoy driving it.
M5? Nice car for someone who wants a sedan. Beat a 911? Seriously? Where are you getting your drugs, I need some of what you're doing!
09-28-09, 09:44 AM
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Dual clutch seems to have mixed reaction. Some automakers are better than others at making dual-clutch transmissions. Also a sequential manual seems to have a more direct feel than a dual clutch from what I have heard.
09-28-09, 01:06 PM
#60
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Sequential manual? As in like the SMG?
For me, I'm quite happy with it. However, there are those who were dismayed by it (and thought of it as the weakpoint of the current M5 E60).
Anyways, we'll see.
P.S.
Do you think AMG will make their AMG SPEEDSHIFT gearbox work in-tandem with the 6.5 TT V12 in the future?
I say that cause it feels like a downgrade to me when your S63 AMG gets a 7-speeder while your S65 AMG is way faster but gets a less advanced gearbox.
Not that I'm apprehensive on it (as I understand that the 7-speed can't keep up yet with the high torque ratings of the TT V12 engine) but I feel that if you are paying more for something better, then it should be better in all aspects as well.
So anyone wanna bet: Next-gen S65 AMG will now have the AMG SPEEDSHIFT unit instead of the 5-speeder auto in the current unit???