Well you answered your own question. Ford's European line-up is more driver oriented.

What's interesting to me is Hyundai selling almost equal with Toyota and outselling Honda easily. Look at that huge jump in market share by Hyundai year over year.

 

The UK has always been a bit of an odd market, and yes Ford historically has always been a strong brand there because Ford has strong historical ties in the UK.

 

Did this post by 1SICKLEX get deleted?

Great post here...if you were one that predicted it would fail, well see below


---Quote (Originally by RX300-BV)---
Define "more than OK".

This is from a Sept. 2008 release for the new TL...

The Acura division of American Honda Motors has launched its most ambitious and
wide-ranging effort of the year, according to Susie Rossick, manager of national
advertising.

"We're defining power [in the spots] through strength, precision and grace,"
said Rossick.

Rossick said the media targets the 35-45 demographic with buys during college
football—the model is the official sponsor of Pac 10 games—Monday Night
Football, ESPN's SportsCenter, The Daily Show and The History Channel, as well
as the spot market.

Rossick predicted that the TL would do well despite it being "a tough
environment to launch a car."*AHM has set a sales goal of 70,000 units for the
model year*.The TL was introduced five years ago, she said, and "the most
important part of the campaign is to show that it is all new and redesigned and
to re-create the enthusiasm and aspiration for the car."

By the numbers since the 2009 TL came out (full month October 2008)

Oct 08 4,340 +22.2%
Nov 08 3,160 -22.2%
Dec 08 3,607 -39.8%
Jan 09 2,317 -31.4%
Feb 09 2,490 -37.2%
Mar 09 3,231 -21.3%
Apr 09 3,105 -27.6%
May 09 3,375 -18.4%
Jun 09 3,018 -16.1%
Jul 09 3,309 -16.5%
Aug 09 3,003 -37.6%

Total model year sales 34,955. This is half of the original sales target. That's
a big miss.

YTD, compared with one of its chief rival the ES350, as 1SICK has been posting,
the TL is at 23,848 down 26.2% vs the ES at 30,385 down 34.2%.

The TL sales don't look all that OK, considering that it's a complete redesign.
---End Quote---

 

TL sales will only suffer more since they now have the TSX V-6, which starts at 35k and hits 40k with options. That is IMO an awful buy but most will probably prefer the TSX styling to the TL.

Reports are dealers are trying to get those that want the TSX V-6 into a TL for the same price!! Acura continues to have this issue of overlap with their vehicles.

First year sales are traditionally the best for a new car so expect TL sales to plummet in 2010 as the styling is a miss and the "value" quotient is lost. You can load one up to 48k! Nuts.

Moving on to the rest of the brand, the ZDX will of course add sales but it will miss sales targets and fail. Thre RDX/MDX refreshes will not help sales at all. TL sales will drop off even more. The TSX will hold steady and may just become their volume seller instead of the TL and MDX.

 

108 were bought using CFC

 

The MDX has really fallen from grace here. This is a vehicle that was challenging the RX for sales some months last generation. This generation has seen sales drop off and barely have a lead over the Benz ML most months. The ML and X5 are substantially more expensive. I truly believe the Buick Enclave has taken a bunch of sales since both are 7 seaters and around the same price.

Its odd b/c I find the new MDX substantially better than the first gen.


5991

That number is ALL THE CUTE UTE SALES TOTAL.

Amazingly not even close to one model, the RX and not that much more than the Enclave. Seems Lexus was right avoiding this small market. The German cute utes have done substantially better than the Asian ones. The RDX had a few higher selling months as the X3 (X3 is at the end of its cycle)

 

Infiniti seems to be even more desperate, on this very site there is a 0% APR ad for the G37. This is a tactic GM/Chyrsler used in the past.

 

As I look at this again, Lexus's lead will extend with the HS once dealers have cars to sell. I honestly DO NOT see the ES and LS refresh helping sales this time as for the first time, I see the MMC as a step back in style (though not features and options). If they do sell better, it will be for other reasons.

BMW will hold tough at 2nd again, a strong showing year after year.

There are 2 tiers after that it seems. The 60k tier
Acura
Buick
Caddy

Acura still is the solid 4th best selling brand though they are by far the cheapest luxury option. Buick and Caddy will be fighting for the same customers as Buick makes a push upmarket.

and the 50k tier
Infiniti
Lincoln
Audi

I expect those 3 to be REAL aggresive the last few months as some GM wants a raise. My bet is on Audi being tops here

Volvo is hanging around but sadly has no "fire" with the public even with better products time after time.

Saab is dead.

 

It just hit me Buick is 5th in sales with ONLY 3 vehicles
Enclave
Lacrosse
Lucerne

Its a huge area for growth for GM.

Acura only has 5 vehicles but gains another SUV soon.
TSX
TL
RL
RDX
MDX

 

http://www.infinitiusa.com/current-o...mepage.Home.P2

Actually Infiniti has 0% financing for 36 months across the entire lineup! This should help September sales.

 

While Lexus may be right ignoring the cute-useless-ute market in the US, I think they should offer a more sporty crossover, perhaps mainly for Europe/Japan/Australia.

 

Some really good points there SICK .

I agree encore888, and I think Lexus might treat Europe as a bit more of a dedicated market compared to any other markets. Lexus Europe is moving towards pretty much a hybrid-only, F-model only lineup which is unique to all other major markets for Lexus. Having only hybrids and F-models for most of Europe also positions Lexus uniquely against the European competition there.

Plus, with the coming CT compact for Europe, Lexus may introduce a small SUV for Europe-only, or other limited markets.

 

YTD 2009

Lexus- 131,469
BMW- 129,176
GM - 124,619 (Buick & Cadillac)
Mercedes- 118,428
Acura- 69,369
Buick- 62,934
Cadillac- 61,685
Infiniti- 53,276
Lincoln- 53,256
Audi- 52,309
Volvo- 42,013
Saab- 6,444


If ES & IS sales are combined for the total entry level market, why can't the same be applied to GM? The fact is, GM is currently #3 in YTD luxury sales.. just sayin'

Also, where are the YTD Jaguar sales?

 

I agree, since the GLK and Q5 are getting traction in the US too. I expect the new X3 to do well once introduced.

 

Sigh.....we know you are here to argue and support Nissan so I'll be nice since you can't read... It was already in italics, now its in bold and in large font so you can't miss it. Please see my disclaimer which you conveniently CUT out of my post, then you posted the results I compiled.

Next time just say "hey thanks for the data that everyone copies and uses all over the internet, here is a suggestion"..... . While I am a few others might consider Buick a luxury brand, MOST PEOPLE DO NOT. My list is informational only, its not concrete, it is changed and amended monthly. If you add Buick to Caddy, should I add the Maxima to Infiniti and the Avalon to Lexus and the Accord V-6 to Acura sales? I don't pawn it off as some golden word. Its here for members to decipher for themselves (as you have done). Its not just you though, there are some people with the I.Q and rational of dog food on other forums ripping the list apart instead of saying "wow thats nifty these are my thoughts". I've even seen an asshat take my list, change it and put the IS in the "Sub entry level" category to make themselves feel better. Nevermind the IS is clearly a legitimate 3 series competitor.

However I don't mind adding the GM+Caddy sales for informational purposes. I have no issue with it as people can come to their own conclusions. Thats what these lists are about.

As for Jaguar, Tata doesn't really release numbers and its a PITA to find. I've only been able to locate I believe one month's Jag numbers this year.