2011 Hyundai Genesis Sedan Refresh
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AWD, to be honest, has some downsides as well. It adds initial expense, weight, drag, cuts into both power and gas mileage, can require more maintenance, and, in some cases, complicates flat-tire change procedure and the use of unevenly-worn tires.
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I definitely agree with the merits of AWD, although personally on more sporty luxury sedans I don't really like it since I use dedicated winter and summer tires anyway. I wonder if even half the buyers of Chrysler 300s and Dodge Chargers realize it's RWD. I see them everywhere around here and wonder how they cope since most drivers around here use all seasons.
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Wow, Hyundai is getting very very aggressive. I think what they're doing can be considered as some of the fastest rises in the Automotive industry. Straight up success, it must've taken a long time and effort to draw up and execute their master plan but they did it, all of the new cars are straight up competitors in terms of design, quality and value.
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I saw an old guy getting out of one and I asked hi m and his wife what they thought of the car and they both loved the car. The driver went on and on about how he has owned Mercedes, BMWs, Cadillacs, and had an LS ( older) and said he thought that this car was the best he ahas had yet.
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I am impressed. I spoke to a guy who had one and he loved it. He said he had a car from all of the luxury brands including Lexus and thought that the Genesis was equal and was far under priced in his opinion.
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"Our spy photographers have managed to catch Hyundai's facelifted 2011 (or 2012) Genesis sedan undergoing testing in the Mojave desert.
While the Genesis is only a year old, Hyundai apparently wanted to bring the car's styling more in line with the company's new Equus flagship. Upfront, the changes appear to be limited to a new bumper and modified fog lights. Out back, there are new LED design taillights, integrated exhaust tips similar to the Equus, and a slightly altered rear bumper.
Engine options will likely carry over, meaning we can expect a 290 hp 3.8-liter V6 and a 368 hp 4.6-liter V8. Eventually the Genesis may be offered with a new 5.0-liter V8 with over 400 hp, but nothing is official as of yet."
http://www.worldcarfans.com/10908262...-spied-already
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Well, in my part of the country (even though we generally don't get really severe winters here, compared to places farther north and west), AWD luxury cars, even non-Audi ones, sell pretty well. You see a lot of Mercedes 4-Matics, BMW AWD xi 3 and 5-series models, and, though I don't have specific sales numbers, the Lexus IS and GS AWD models, locally, seem to be outselling their RWD brothers. The IS250AWD, in particular, seems to be a strong seller. I have no doubt that an AWD Genesis would sell if it were offered (Heck, I'd consider one myself if I could get it under 40K.....my personal $$$$ limit for a new car).
Personally yeah, I'd like to see more AWD passenger cars as well hehe
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Hyundai will have a 400+Hp Supercharged V8
Is Acura awake???
With the soon to be released Sonata, current and refreshed Genesis, along with the Equus, I see them running just below Lexus and neck and neck with Infiniti..
IMO BMW and Mercedes product lines are too robust and industry leaders in their class. Regardless of the products, Hyundai will be unable to overturn this image for the majority of buyers.
How odd would that be to outrun in an ISF by a Hyundai...LMBO
Is Acura awake???
With the soon to be released Sonata, current and refreshed Genesis, along with the Equus, I see them running just below Lexus and neck and neck with Infiniti..
IMO BMW and Mercedes product lines are too robust and industry leaders in their class. Regardless of the products, Hyundai will be unable to overturn this image for the majority of buyers.
How odd would that be to outrun in an ISF by a Hyundai...LMBO
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What they are doing now will only get them so far. At some point, to make it to the next teir, they need to stop copying other people's design and invest some money into dealer infrastructure.
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I'm with you on AWD. Honda and Toyota do offer sedan AWD in some non-American-spec cars; they just havent marketed it much over here in the last 15 years or so. But, with new products like the Toyota Venza and the upcoming Honda Accord Crossover, that may finally be changing. And, yes, Hyundai needs to catch up.