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Old Mar 21, 2009 | 01:25 PM
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Not quite. The Challenger uses a shortened version of the Charger platform (just like it did 40 years ago), though it shares many drivetrain components.
Of course not exactly, that's why I said "based on" meaning derived from. This practice of cars derived from versions of a certain chassis can be seen throughout the industry, the GS/IS are just a couple of examples.

Short answer ignoring the above semantics, the Challenger is bigger and heavier than equivalent Camaro as others have pointed out..
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Old Mar 21, 2009 | 01:47 PM
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The Challenger R/T Manual tested by C&D weighed 4,164 lbs...
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Old Mar 21, 2009 | 02:11 PM
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i hope all those aren't decepticons! LOL
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Old Mar 21, 2009 | 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by IS-SV
Of course not exactly, that's why I said "based on" meaning derived from. This practice of cars derived from versions of a certain chassis can be seen throughout the industry, the GS/IS are just a couple of examples.

Short answer ignoring the above semantics, the Challenger is bigger and heavier than equivalent Camaro as others have pointed out..
OK.....I'm sorry if I sounded like I was nitpicking (I tend to be so detail-oriented that it sometimes gets the best of me).

Yes, to some extent, the Challenger does seem a little larger than the Camaro, though I have to base that estimation on just what I saw at the D.C. Auto show, where the 2 Camaros on display (one RS and one SS) were roped off and locked. Chevy kept them literally under lock and key and wouldn't open them up, even on request. The excuse was that they were pre-production models and the interior was not finalized.

The main difference, though, dimension-wise, between the Camaro and Challenger (based on my Challenger R/T review last year and what I saw at the D.C. show in February) seemed to be in height more than anything else. The Challenger, with its roof, hood, and trunk-lid height, seemed to sit higher than either the Mustang or Camaro.
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Old Mar 21, 2009 | 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Robs IS250
i hope all those aren't decepticons! LOL

Apparantly not. The local Chevy people here in the D.C area tell me delivery wll start, around here, in about 3-4 weeks.....towards the middle of April. It is still unclear, however, which models will be shipped first.......RS, SS, or both.

From the picture, it is apparant that SS models are now in production, because, according to Chevy, literature, yellow is only available on the SS line, and there are obviously a lot of yellow ones stuck in there on that storage lot.

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Old Mar 21, 2009 | 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Apparantly not. The local Chevy people here in the D.C area tell me delivery wll start, around here, in about 3-4 weeks.....towards the middle of April. It is still unclear, however, which models will be shipped first.......RS, SS, or both.

From the picture, it is apparant that SS models are now in production, because, according to Chevy, literature, yellow is only available on the SS line, and there are obviously a lot of yellow ones stuck in there on that storage lot.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decepticon
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Old Mar 21, 2009 | 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by I8ABMR
compared to a 240sx ( I dont care if you got the red top or a freakn RB ) or a 1995 SC300 with a 2JZ swap, it is a much nicer car and a car that owners of the 2 listed cars should aspire to own one day. Step into this century man .
By the way I drive a GS350. I have stepped up from the G35. The GS 350 you can probably set your sights on as well if you want to step into this century .LOL
Infiniti barely qualifies as luxury like Acura. I much rather drive a 90s lexus sports coupe then a modern day infiniti. The g35 feels almost as cheep as a mustang.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
OK.....I'm sorry if I sounded like I was nitpicking (I tend to be so detail-oriented that it sometimes gets the best of me).



The main difference, though, dimension-wise, between the Camaro and Challenger (based on my Challenger R/T review last year and what I saw at the D.C. show in February) seemed to be in height more than anything else. The Challenger, with its roof, hood, and trunk-lid height, seemed to sit higher than either the Mustang or Camaro.
I'm also sorry for being a nitpicker (yes I'm guilty as charged, but I blame it on my profession)

I've seen both cars up close, but I agree it's hard to judge dimensions at a glance.

The main differences in size are, in order of magnitude, length (about 7"), wheelbase (about 4"), height (about 3"). But in short the Camaro is more right-sized or international-sized, a nice plus in today's competitive market.

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Old Mar 21, 2009 | 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryeno
Infiniti barely qualifies as luxury like Acura. I much rather drive a 90s lexus sports coupe then a modern day infiniti. The g35 feels almost as cheep as a mustang.
When was the last time you looked at an Infiniti? Early 90's?

Before making bold claims you should take a drive in your "Manuel" 90's Lexus to your nearest Infiniti dealer because their G37 and M35/45 models will make your "Luxurious" 92 Lexus look like a Kia in comparison.
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Old Mar 21, 2009 | 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by rosskoss
Well, "deception" or not, we know that, regardless if that shot was of a real storage lot, Camaro production started a few days ago.
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Old Mar 22, 2009 | 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Ryeno
Infiniti barely qualifies as luxury like Acura. I much rather drive a 90s lexus sports coupe then a modern day infiniti. The g35 feels almost as cheep as a mustang.
says the owner of the two 17 year old cars. Open your eyes.
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Old Mar 22, 2009 | 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by madmax2k1
When was the last time you looked at an Infiniti? Early 90's?

Before making bold claims you should take a drive in your "Manuel" 90's Lexus to your nearest Infiniti dealer because their G37 and M35/45 models will make your "Luxurious" 92 Lexus look like a Kia in comparison.

I was blown away by the comments as well.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Well, "deception" or not, we know that, regardless if that shot was of a real storage lot, Camaro production started a few days ago.
Are you just blindly arguing at this point or did you even bother checking out the link?
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Old Mar 22, 2009 | 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Well, "deception" or not, we know that, regardless if that shot was of a real storage lot, Camaro production started a few days ago.


I'm confused. I todays paper a Chevy dealer near me is advertsing "All New 2010 Camaro - 50 Available". What's the deal?
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