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Spy shots: BMW 7-series hybrid caught with no disguise
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http://www.motorauthority.com/conten...30-950x600.jpg http://www.motorauthority.com/conten...30-950x600.jpg http://www.motorauthority.com/conten...30-950x600.jpg Spy shots: BMW 7-series hybrid caught with no disguise The new hybrid limo will do battle against the likes of Mercedes-Benz's S400 and Lexus' LS 600hL Hybrid drive systems are finally making solid inroads into the upper strata of the luxury sedan segment, with BMW's 7-series hybrid set to join the Mercedes-Benz S400 and Lexus LS 600hL later this year. The new 7-series hybrid was previewed as a concept at last year's Paris Motor Show, but today we have new spy photos of the car completely free of disguise. Mercedes released the first details for its S400 BlueHYBRID late last year, and confirmed the car for a mid-2009 launch date, putting it a half-step ahead of the 7-series, as the production 7-series hybrid is expected to go on sale late this year or in early 2010 after a debut in Frankfurt in September. While Mercedes’ S400 BlueHYBRID features an electric drive system mated to a 3.5L V6 powerplant, BMW’s new Concept 7-Series ActiveHybrid is based around the 4.4L V8 750i model. The concept car features the standard 407hp (303kW) and 442lb-ft (600Nm) V8 powerplant mated to a 20hp (15kW) and 155lb-ft (210Nm) electric motor. Other standard hybrid features, such as regenerative braking, automatic stop-start and optimized aerodynamics, are also present on the 7-series ActiveHybrid concept, and are expected to show on the final car as well. Compared with the non-hybrid model, the new ActiveHybrid is said to improve fuel-economy by up to 15%. Mercedes, meanwhile, claims that its S400 BlueHYBRID runs 21% more efficiently than the standard S350. Both cars will feature lithium-ion battery systems, though Mercedes is planning to be the first carmaker in the world to market with such a system in a mass-produced vehicle. The new 7-series hybrid will feature BMW’s version of the modular two-mode hybrid system jointly developed with Daimler, Chrysler and General Motors. The system features a pair of electric motors located within the transmission and can provide electric only drive at low speeds or act as a performance booster at high load. |
It seems as if BMW is going to go for the performance hybrid segment by mating their 750 v8 to the hybrid drivetrain. That may not be a bad move, consididering people still want performance, a la the 600H and 450H.
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Hmm...interesting tailpipes.
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Tail pipe cut outs are integrated into the bumper while the pipes don't even connect into them so that means...
THE NEW 7 IS A POS!!!!! BMW IS CHEAP! ROFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!! PERFORMANCE? YOU CAN'T HAVE PERFORMANCE WITHOUT PIPES THAT ACTUALLY TOUCH THE VISUAL CUT OUT! BMW COST CUTTING AT IT'S BEST! DOESN'T MATTER THAT R8 AND OTHERS HAVE THIS EXHAUST FORMAT, BMW IS CHEAP! ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" BMW = PERFORMANCE? NO! BMW = TEH POSER! MUHAHAHA End IS-F Rant. :D:rolleyes:;) |
Looks almost as clean as an LS, not bad.
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Originally Posted by MPLexus301
(Post 4209656)
Tail pipe cut outs are integrated into the bumper while the pipes don't even connect into them so that means...
[b] THE NEW 7 IS A POS!!!!! BMW IS CHEAP! |
Lookin' very LSish in the rear...
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Originally Posted by FKL
(Post 4209894)
The problem isn't a psuedo tip (many cars have this, as discussed ad nauseum), it's the way the psuedo tips are done. It's ugly and bizzare on the is-f (double stacked).
Now BMW is using the exact same execution. Hmmm...let me guess...now it's ok and it looks great and isn't cheap? |
I don't know about bmw fanboys, but I just always perceived it as looking a bit off track in the way it was executed.
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Originally Posted by FKL
(Post 4209972)
I don't know about bmw fanboys, but I just always perceived it as looking a bit off track in the way it was executed.
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17% more efficient? I'm not impressed.
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I think I like the look, nice and clean. IMO, bimmers got a little over done there for a bit, I think there's definitely something to be said for understated power.
Definitely positioned directly against the LS. re: tail pipes - who cares if the cosmetic tips are attached or not, so long as everything gets blown out it's fine. |
Originally Posted by xioix
(Post 4210061)
It was the whole fake thing, because as Ferrari did it with the California, it hasn't had as much criticism as the IS-F
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20hp elec. motor? interesting... it's no better than an Honda's IMA mild hybrid system but at least it'll have regenerative braking (how much are BMW brake pads??) and auto stop/start. It may have a price advantage on the hybrid system but given that a 7 Series is more expensive to begin, the overall/final MSRP might still be higher than an LS600h L.
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Originally Posted by TwiBlueG35
(Post 4210542)
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Originally Posted by IS-SV
(Post 4209850)
Looks almost as clean as an LS, not bad.
My thoughts exactly! :D |
The car looks decent enough, but two things stick out:
1) Poor execution of the tailpipes. They look cheap. If they want inspiration, they should look at the LS460. 2) The front grill is massive. Maybe it's just the picture, but it seems much larger than it needs to be. Perhaps they're taking a cue from Audi's "large-mouth bass" grill. |
the car looks so generic to me now..
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I agree, the car look to bland now. Even the older 7's looked more dramatic, especially the rear.
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SO wait let me get this right. Tons of BMW people said the LS 600h made no sense, it was stupid, hybrid V-8 is dumb, make a V-12, its bland and...
1. BMW decides to make their own V-8 hybrid years later 2. BMW cancels their V-12 7 series 3. BMW makes it look like the LS with giant grill nostril things You can't help but giggle :D That said, I totally support any hybrids and this vehicle. I look forward to see what BMW can do with hybrids. I also think it looks 100% better than the last model. |
Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
(Post 4212069)
SO wait let me get this right. Tons of BMW people said the LS 600h made no sense, it was stupid, hybrid V-8 is dumb, make a V-12, its bland and...
1. BMW decides to make their own V-8 hybrid years later 2. BMW cancels their V-12 7 series 3. BMW makes it look like the LS with giant grill nostril things You can't help but giggle :D http://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/att...9&d=1231463736 http://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/att...0&d=1231463736 In addition, the 507hp Alpina B7 is also in the works for those seeking batteries not included performance. http://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/att...9&d=1232726255 The beauty of choices & customization is what makes luxury automaker stand out from the cookie cutter automakers regardless of brand . I have no need for hybrids but some folks go head over heels over them.. |
Originally Posted by FKL
(Post 4209894)
The problem isn't a psuedo tip (many cars have this, as discussed ad nauseum), it's the way the psuedo tips are done. It's ugly and bizzare on the is-f (double stacked).
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Now what I find to induce those uncontrolled giggles are Lexus fans calling bimmer styling generic. Not saying the 7 has study hall appealing George Jetson looks but it just really amusing seeing that comment here.
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def. the last gen is better then this one. im happy my dad got a 08 750li instead of waiting for one of these. BLEH.
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Originally Posted by MR_F1
(Post 4212211)
That's your opinion.
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(note to self don't giggle in threads to avoid making the natives restless) :D
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
(Post 4212415)
(note to self don't giggle in threads to avoid making the natives restless) :D
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Originally Posted by RON430
(Post 4212429)
Get your giggles where you can.:D
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Originally Posted by DASHOCKER
(Post 4212157)
You may want to hold back that giggle. BMW never canceled the v12. The F01 V12 is actually undergoing testing.
http://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/att...9&d=1231463736 http://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/att...0&d=1231463736 In addition, the 507hp Alpina B7 is also in the works for those seeking batteries not included performance. http://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/att...9&d=1232726255 The beauty of choices & customization is what makes luxury automaker stand out from the cookie cutter automakers regardless of brand . I have no need for hybrids but some folks go head over heels over them.. why would you want a "batteries not included" performance? what's this obsession with old technology? or maybe you love russia and saudi arabia making out like bandits holding the whole world hostage with their energy monopoly? electric cars will absolutely kill the internal combustion relics. destroy them. just wait till real performance electric cars start coming out. or compare a diesel train to an electric one to have a preview. |
Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
(Post 4212439)
As men, I think we are limited to the amount of times we can giggle and type giggle on the internet. :D
Ugh, now back to the 7. |
Originally Posted by MPLexus301
(Post 4209969)
While the ISF has caught some flack for visual look of the stacked exhausts, most of the criticism around the internet has been based on how the tail pipes don't actually connect into the cut outs in the bumper...chief among the antagonizers are BMW fanboys.
Now BMW is using the exact same execution. Hmmm...let me guess...now it's ok and it looks great and isn't cheap? |
Originally Posted by ren495
(Post 4212501)
why would you want a "batteries not included" performance?
a joke? |
Originally Posted by ren495
(Post 4212501)
why would you want a "batteries not included" performance? what's this obsession with old technology? or maybe you love russia and saudi arabia making out like bandits holding the whole world hostage with their energy monopoly? electric cars will absolutely kill the internal combustion relics. destroy them. just wait till real performance electric cars start coming out. or compare a diesel train to an electric one to have a preview.
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I think part of the "blandness" comes from the color of the car in the spy shots. I can't recall a beige car of any type that really stirred emotions.:uh:
The 7 series has always been an elegant form of luxury and this will be no different. The V12 looks like a monster, but I thought the Alpina was cancelled?:uh: (Any current info?...Thanks) |
Originally Posted by CDNROCKIES
(Post 4212688)
The V12 looks like a monster, but I thought the Alpina was cancelled?:uh: (Any current info?...Thanks) Alpina B7 based on the new generation BMW 7 Series will make its debut at the Geneva Auto Show in March. The tuned up V8 will produce 507 hp & 700nm compared to the 400 hp found in the standard version of the engine. Also, the new Alpina B7 delivers 7 hp more than the previous B7 which uses a supercharged V8 4.4 liter engine.http://www.topcarblog.ch/692/exclusi...va-motor-show/ |
Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
(Post 4212439)
As men, I think we are limited to the amount of times we can giggle and type giggle on the internet. :D
Originally Posted by CDNROCKIES
(Post 4212688)
I think part of the "blandness" comes from the color of the car in the spy shots. I can't recall a beige car of any type that really stirred emotions.:uh:
The 7 series has always been an elegant form of luxury and this will be no different. |
That black 7 looks B.A.!:eek2:
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Why is Alpina being brought up in a "hybrid" thread? Alpina has their own threads. THe last B7 was considered by some to be the best handling big saloon in history.
THis is about the hybrid. |
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