Official Audi A7 sportback thread: UPDATED, Review
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I see some irony in the fact that Lexus grew rapidly from 1989 as Audi collapsed on the back of false accusations of sudden acceleration. And now 22 years later, Lexus sales are in free fall, in some small part due to some false acceleration claims, and Audi is the one picking up most of that market share.
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Lexus cars might be considered beautiful to you, and MB/Audi/BMWs are boring to you, but to another person, it's exactly the opposite. There's nothing here to complain about. The marketplace is large enough to accommodate all these diff't viewpoints.
Audis might very well be called boring, but there is some unmistakable brand identity in the signature large grill on the front and their design. You know its an Audi when you see the large grill and those LEDs. Lexus seems to lack that. To an average person, they might mistake the LS for a large Avalon/Camry or an HS for a Corolla, but that's because Lexus really doesn't have any sort of design identity that they stick with like MB/BMW/Audi do. BMW has the signature kidney grills and corona lights. Audi has the large front grill and LEDs. What's Lexus's design identity?
Remember, Lexus copied Audi on the facelift IS and put on some ricer-style LEDs that look horribly out of place on a Lexus.
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This is correct, Lexus does sell much much more in the US, but when we consider the worldwide market, Lexus is nothing to Audi. They sell tons of cars overseas. It is only in America where some people think Audi is a "lesser" brand to Lexus/BMW/MB.
I will say this was an amazing feat that Toyota was able to do, in such a sort time.
I will say this was an amazing feat that Toyota was able to do, in such a sort time.
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Have you thought that people here also have the same double standard, except in favor of Lexus and against the Germans?
Lexus cars might be considered beautiful to you, and MB/Audi/BMWs are boring to you, but to another person, it's exactly the opposite. There's nothing here to complain about. The marketplace is large enough to accommodate all these diff't viewpoints.
Audis might very well be called boring, but there is some unmistakable brand identity in the signature large grill on the front and their design. You know its an Audi when you see the large grill and those LEDs. Lexus seems to lack that. To an average person, they might mistake the LS for a large Avalon/Camry or an HS for a Corolla, but that's because Lexus really doesn't have any sort of design identity that they stick with like MB/BMW/Audi do. BMW has the signature kidney grills and corona lights. Audi has the large front grill and LEDs. What's Lexus's design identity?
Remember, Lexus copied Audi on the facelift IS and put on some ricer-style LEDs that look horribly out of place on a Lexus.
Lexus cars might be considered beautiful to you, and MB/Audi/BMWs are boring to you, but to another person, it's exactly the opposite. There's nothing here to complain about. The marketplace is large enough to accommodate all these diff't viewpoints.
Audis might very well be called boring, but there is some unmistakable brand identity in the signature large grill on the front and their design. You know its an Audi when you see the large grill and those LEDs. Lexus seems to lack that. To an average person, they might mistake the LS for a large Avalon/Camry or an HS for a Corolla, but that's because Lexus really doesn't have any sort of design identity that they stick with like MB/BMW/Audi do. BMW has the signature kidney grills and corona lights. Audi has the large front grill and LEDs. What's Lexus's design identity?
Remember, Lexus copied Audi on the facelift IS and put on some ricer-style LEDs that look horribly out of place on a Lexus.
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Hey Autounion - question for you - since you seem knowledgeable. I'm returning to the European car fold since Lexus hasn't been able to come up with any new sedans in the past 6 years. I might be interested in buying a new A6 or A7, but it seems they don't have any high power variants. I'm thinking twin turbo V8. I have a deposit down on a 2012 550i M-Sport but my production date isn't till October. Do you know if Audi will have the Turbo V8 variants out by then?
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Hey Autounion - question for you - since you seem knowledgeable. I'm returning to the European car fold since Lexus hasn't been able to come up with any new sedans in the past 6 years. I might be interested in buying a new A6 or A7, but it seems they don't have any high power variants. I'm thinking twin turbo V8. I have a deposit down on a 2012 550i M-Sport but my production date isn't till October. Do you know if Audi will have the Turbo V8 variants out by then?
Is your M-Sport going to Carbon Black? I love that color
On the Audi forums I frequent, the C7 A6 is supposed to be out soon. There were reports of cars just trickling in right now. A FWD 2.0T and 3.0T to start.
The S7 is supposed to be out soon and that will have Audi's new 4.0T that is supposed to replace the 4.2 V8 in Audi's lineup. Eventually it'll come in to the A6, but somehow I doubt it will be this year. I think you'll end up with the BMW in the end
I'm really getting annoyed by the way Audi does its lineup recently because the "S" models seem to be competing with the top lvl BMWs. And the RS is against the M. So to get something comparable to your future 550i, you'd need a S7/S6 and S7 should be out soon, but not the A6.
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This is correct, Lexus does sell much much more in the US, but when we consider the worldwide market, Lexus is nothing to Audi. They sell tons of cars overseas. It is only in America where some people think Audi is a "lesser" brand to Lexus/BMW/MB.
I will say this was an amazing feat that Toyota was able to do, in such a sort time.
I will say this was an amazing feat that Toyota was able to do, in such a sort time.
All 3 of the Germans outsell Lexus up here.
On topic, the A7 is extremely underwhelming in person.
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I'm not sure about color. I love the look of Carbon Black in the sunlight, but I don't like it in the shade. I was thinking Dark Graphite I but it seems that isn't available. I may get either Jet Black, Space Gray, Imperial Blue or Deep Sea Blue. With Oyster/Black, Anthracite.
I'm planning on M-Sport, Active Ventilated Seats, Convenience, PP2, HUD, IAS, Apps. Side and top view cams, Paddles.
One of my associates was trying to buy a used CPO 2008 GS350 with Nav and no Texas dealer would sell below $38. She ended up buying a new one for $44. Makes more sense then spending that much on a 3 year old car. The value retention on these Lexus cars is incredible.
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October 15 is the first available pick-up date for 2012 production Euro Delivery 550i. They don't begin production of the 550i till September, but for ED it is a bit later. The 7% saving is something I can't pass up and in my job I can fly to Europe whenever I want (My European colleague invite me over every month).
I'm not sure about color. I love the look of Carbon Black in the sunlight, but I don't like it in the shade. I was thinking Dark Graphite I but it seems that isn't available. I may get either Jet Black, Space Gray, Imperial Blue or Deep Sea Blue. With Oyster/Black, Anthracite.
I'm planning on M-Sport, Active Ventilated Seats, Convenience, PP2, HUD, IAS, Apps. Side and top view cams, Paddles.
I'm not sure about color. I love the look of Carbon Black in the sunlight, but I don't like it in the shade. I was thinking Dark Graphite I but it seems that isn't available. I may get either Jet Black, Space Gray, Imperial Blue or Deep Sea Blue. With Oyster/Black, Anthracite.
I'm planning on M-Sport, Active Ventilated Seats, Convenience, PP2, HUD, IAS, Apps. Side and top view cams, Paddles.
I really would like to do my own ED in the future. Maybe if BMW makes a diesel 5 series to match my X5d. There's a bunch of good info about ED on Bimmerfest.Looks like you're going all out on the options on the 5. I'm not seeing anything missing that you would need to add. Deep Sea Blue with Oyster looks amazing. I recently saw an X5 in that combo.
Good luck on the purchase
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This is correct, Lexus does sell much much more in the US, but when we consider the worldwide market, Lexus is nothing to Audi. They sell tons of cars overseas. It is only in America where some people think Audi is a "lesser" brand to Lexus/BMW/MB.
I will say this was an amazing feat that Toyota was able to do, in such a sort time.
I will say this was an amazing feat that Toyota was able to do, in such a sort time.
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With BMW the ED is 7% of MSRP but ED Invoice is another 9% off the ED MSRP so 16% off total. The options don't recieve the ED discount. So if you negotiate say $500-800 above invoice on an ED, after options your blended discount may be 12-14%.
I don't think Audi or Jag offer this. One nice thing about MB is you can delegate the pickup by authorization. So you can have a German friend pick it up for you.
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Audi has ED also. They've had it just as long as MB/BMW, as far as I've read up on it. They also have a set discount on the car like MB, much less flexible than BMW.
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