Insideline: GS350 vs. Genesis 4.6
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What is your point? There are 42 different versions of the Toyota Tundra in the USA.
You are in the vacuum. I said the most. Not the only. There is absolutely no doubt that the United States is the most competitive, toughest regulations, restrictions, crash standards, unions etc.
Now you cited that the USA has the only competitive market
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see if you can find one anywhere that goes below msrp
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When Toyota was selling Land Cruiser/LX470 in 1998 there was no Seqioua, no Highlander, no FJ, no X5, no X6, Escalade just came to market, no GX470, no Range Rover Sport and the list goes on. Toyota was selling 30k 100 series Toyotas in 1998/1999.
In some markets...the Land Cruiser competes with the Range Rover, Defender Mercedes G class, Nissam Pajero....most are solid rear. Toyota didn't go solid rear because the rest of the world does not demand that in the segment. Toyota did go IRS because a domestic based large SUV must have to have more than moderate sales.
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In some markets...the Land Cruiser competes with the Range Rover, Defender Mercedes G class, Nissam Pajero....most are solid rear. Toyota didn't go solid rear because the rest of the world does not demand that in the segment. Toyota did go IRS because a domestic based large SUV must have to have more than moderate sales.
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You simply cannot compare truly what Lexus did compared to Hyundai and the Genesis. Lexus spent over 1 billion in the 1980s on the LS. They studied not just luxury cars but the way people people that buy luxury cars lived.
Mr. Suzuki, chief engineer of the LS was not to be stopped. The LS was the quietest, the fastest, the lightest, the most reliable, with the best MPG. The LS truly was a rare BREAKTHROUGH of a car.
No one successfully penetrated the Luxury market from Asia until the LS and Lexus came. NO ONE. The Maxima and Cressida simply were not luxury cars.
Lexus gave Hyundai the CONFIDENCE TODAY to launch a car like the GEnesis. The Genesis is not the first car to not have a luxury badge to try to break into the luxury market. What makes it incredible is maybe the name, its a HYUNDAI, which still conjures images of crap to many people, no matter how many gains they have made in years.
Mazda 929 and Millenia. Oldsmobile Auroa. Current Buicks. The current and new Nissan Maxima. Loaded Chrysler 300C. Toyota Avalon.
Those are just a few that tried and try to sell luxurious or near luxury vehicles without the badge.
The Genesis might be slightly above those efforts but its goal is the same. To try to steal luxury brand buyers into a non luxury brand car
Mr. Suzuki, chief engineer of the LS was not to be stopped. The LS was the quietest, the fastest, the lightest, the most reliable, with the best MPG. The LS truly was a rare BREAKTHROUGH of a car.
No one successfully penetrated the Luxury market from Asia until the LS and Lexus came. NO ONE. The Maxima and Cressida simply were not luxury cars.
Lexus gave Hyundai the CONFIDENCE TODAY to launch a car like the GEnesis. The Genesis is not the first car to not have a luxury badge to try to break into the luxury market. What makes it incredible is maybe the name, its a HYUNDAI, which still conjures images of crap to many people, no matter how many gains they have made in years.
Mazda 929 and Millenia. Oldsmobile Auroa. Current Buicks. The current and new Nissan Maxima. Loaded Chrysler 300C. Toyota Avalon.
Those are just a few that tried and try to sell luxurious or near luxury vehicles without the badge.
The Genesis might be slightly above those efforts but its goal is the same. To try to steal luxury brand buyers into a non luxury brand car
I remember seeing a brand new 190e in 1986 and the window sticker was 26k. 22 years later, how much is base model C class? 29k? 30k? I think Lexus had a lot to do with that.
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Can one of you car gurus answer my question above from page 6?
My thought is if the perfomance of the v6 300hp model is comparable to the gs350 it may be a viable low cost alternative....
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