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Old May 5, 2007 | 08:30 AM
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Did any one catch the part of the article that said the new xB gained a whoopping 600 lbs!??!?!

"Scion execs have said they will not run any TV ads to launch the new xB to avoid alienating young and hip buyers."

What a crock of *****. I don't believe that for a minute.

That's crazy. We currently own an xB and it is super light which makes it really fun to drive. I love the toaster looks of the current model, but hate this redesign.
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Old May 5, 2007 | 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by bruce van
Did any one catch the part of the article that said the new xB gained a whoopping 600 lbs!??!?!
One clue to that added pork is the new engine for it. Note the specs:

ENGINE TYPE: DOHC 16-valve inline-4, aluminum block and head, port fuel injection
Displacement: 144 cu in, 2362cc
Power (SAE net): 158 bhp @ 6000 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 162 lb-ft @ 4000 rpm


While not dragster-class, those figures are considerably higher than the last version, with its 1.5L, 103 HP engine. That added spunk was obviously put in for a reason. (And I'm afraid the added power and weight will affect gas mileage, one of the outstandling features of the original xB).
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Old May 5, 2007 | 07:30 PM
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Congats on snubbing the US market again, Toyota!

Woudn't it have been much easier - and as it seems to be their most treasured MO - more profitable to just tweak the Japanese version of the bB for LHD???

http://tijil.org/07bB01.jpg
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Old May 6, 2007 | 02:05 AM
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Congats on snubbing the US market again, Toyota!

Woudn't it have been much easier - and as it seems to be their most treasured MO - more profitable to just tweak the Japanese version of the bB for LHD???

http://tijil.org/07bB01.jpg
is building an all-new, just for US, model, actually "snubbing" US market? That is kind of funny ;-)

New xB is a lot larger car - it does everything better than old model, and is now faster than Mazda3 and Honda Civic.

It has STANDARD Pioneer MP3 CD player with true ipod support, 8 airbags, ESP/VSC, etc. It is by far the best value out there...
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Old May 6, 2007 | 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by spwolf
is building an all-new, just for US, model, actually "snubbing" US market? That is kind of funny ;-)
Just seems like a waste of money since they already have a replacement for the gen-1 xB, and a much 'cooler' one at that.
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Old May 15, 2007 | 07:50 AM
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First Drive: 2008 Scion xB
Trick in a box: is it still a square peg in a round hole?


By Edward Loh
Photography by Julia LaPalme

Step 1: Cut a whole new box

"When it launched Scion back in 2003, Toyota claimed the founding tenet of its new, youth-oriented brand would be surprise. Surprise in the look of the vehicles, the low price, and the high level of content. Surprise in its gamechanging plan for short vehicle life cycles and regular rollouts of specially equipped, limited-edition models. Surprises that wouldn't be limited just to the products, but would infiltrate the entire brand experience-from Scion's nontraditional, underground marketing campaign to its no-negotiating, "Pure Pricing" policy.

In retrospect, it should surprise no one that such a well-conceived and thoroughly executed plan worked as well as it has. In 2006, though just three years old and boasting a lineup of only three models, Scion sold 173,034 vehicles. That's 50,000 more than Volvo and 70,000 more than Suzuki over the same period. More important to Toyota is the average age of the people who are buying: At 30, Scion tC buyers have the lowest median age in the industry, and the Scion brand isn't far behind.

With success like this, loyal owners and industry watchers alike waited anxiously to see what Scion had in store for the next generation of vehicles. Maybe a racy crossover or mini SUV? Perhaps some shocking futuristic Japanese minicar that defies traditional American classification?

Nope. Though all-new and substantially upgraded, the surprise is that the new Scions are nowhere near as groundbreaking as the old ones.

Step 2: Put new tricks in the box

One look at the second-gen xB confirms this. Though designed in conjunction with Toyota's Southern California CALTY studio and its Kanto Auto Works subsidiary in Japan, the 2008 xB is clearly an American derivation of the first-generation box van.

Most notable is how the xB has been supersized. It gains a foot in overall length, 4.0 inches of that between the wheels. Overall width is up 2.8 inches, yet height increases only 0.1. A wide and low stance, sculpted wheel arches, and a long front overhang give an appearance of visual mass and menace-a look supported by the addition of 600 pounds of real weight. The cute little box is little no more; equipped with the four-speed automatic, the new xB weighs a portly 3086 pounds.

But it's not all bear claws and custard-filled; massive improvements accompany the additional heft. Interior dimensions have increased considerably. In the passenger area, an increase of 10.7 cubic feet means hipster hips and shoulders have substantially more room to twist and pass whatever they're passing these days.

Replacing the first-gen's 1.5-liter mill is a tweaked version of the Scion tC's 2.4-liter, DOHC four-cylinder. Power and torque are up 55 horses and 61 pound-feet to 158 horses and 162 pound-feet, respectively. Despite the xB's size and weight gain, Toyota claims only a 10-percent reduction in fuel economy. Relocated off the floor and onto the dash, and equipped with a shorter lever, the action of the standard five-speed manual is more rifle than rubber chicken. It's no Honda 'box, but the ergonomics alone make it much better than before. High and quick clutch engagement paired with the engine's extra torque means aggressive or simply absentminded launches will chirp the tires-not such a comical proposition this time around. Grouped with accessories like the TRD cold-air intake and exhaust, sporty lowering springs, and larger wheels and tires, the xB looks and sounds pretty cool.

Scion's slick marketing gives way to reliable Toyota engineering once the xB gets going. The optional four-speed automatic with sequential shifting, a first for Toyota, is always in the right place at the right time. Also new to the xB is an Electric Power Steering system similar to the one found on the RAV4. Like the auto trans, EPS is praiseworthy only in how invisible it is.

As they did the first time around, Toyota engineers used tight panel fits and strategically placed sound-deadening material to quash wind noise and road vibration. What remains is a quiet and comfortable cabin, set upon a MacPherson strut front and rear-beam axle suspension system tuned more for ride quality than cornering prowess. Though the xB does an admirable job of splitting the difference, owners willing to sacrifice comfort for turning will easily find a wide range of accessory manufacturers happy to punch their ticket.

Step 3: Get them to open the box?

The original Scion xB was essentially a carryover of Toyota's successful Japanese domestic market (JDM) bb. The new Scion xB shares no such JDM counterpart (at least for right now) and, thus, no direct link to the JDM aftermarket tuning scene-an important driver of modifying trends for the Scion generation. Scion admits this may hurt its street credibility with some of its most highly sought opinion leaders. Though it's not a huge surprise, even the hippest JDM hipster must admit that at $16,230, the second-generation xB is a fantastic bargain.'
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Old May 15, 2007 | 07:58 AM
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The 2.4L should probably be an option rather than standard. One of the outstanding features (and a big selling point) of both the old xA and xB was their great gas mileage. Sure, the 2.4L will be better for hauling things or a heavy load, but for those who buy the vehicle as just base transportaion or as a commuter car.....the reason many older people bought them....the 1.5L makes more sense, and uses less gas, as a daily driver.
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Old May 15, 2007 | 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
The 2.4L should probably be an option rather than standard. One of the outstanding features (and a big selling point) of both the old xA and xB was their great gas mileage. Sure, the 2.4L will be better for hauling things or a heavy load, but for those who buy the vehicle as just base transportaion or as a commuter car.....the reason many older people bought them....the 1.5L makes more sense, and uses less gas, as a daily driver.
It's standard on the xB, and it hauls ***.
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Old May 15, 2007 | 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by ff_
You beat me to it. It really gets under my skin when automakers (mostly Toyota, it seems) put the gauges where they should not be. What's worse, the gauges on the new model seem like they're so small that you're not going to be able to read them while driving. Great idea, Toyota...
It's surprisingly convenient to read the digital read out from the center stack.

But I think the RPM meter is a bit too small to read tho.
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Old May 15, 2007 | 11:06 AM
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Yeah but all the teenagers will be in line to purchase it. Just like they did with the last generation. I'm sure younger adults will purchase this more than the older crowd.

Just don't ruin the TC!
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Old May 15, 2007 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by STIG
It's standard on the xB, and it hauls ***.
Yes, but that's not the point I was making. The 2.4L should, of course, be available, but as an option, not standard. Some of the people who buy this vehicle would prefer the better mileage of the smaller engine. Maybe the added weight on the new model is just too much for the 1.5L, but in that case, they could have used the Corolla/Matrix 1.8L.

Contary to what some people think, even with engines, bigger is not always better.
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Originally Posted by IS_Mine
Yeah but all the teenagers will be in line to purchase it. Just like they did with the last generation. I'm sure younger adults will purchase this more than the older crowd.

Just don't ruin the TC!
Actually, more older people find the xB functional, so the median age for the xB is actually higher than expected.

The tC however has the lowest median age for any car (at 30, I believe) in the U.S...
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Old May 15, 2007 | 12:54 PM
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Scion xB
By Paul Niedermeyer
May 14, 2007


"Having wrested the title “world’s largest car manufacturer” from General Motors, Toyota’s already committing some of the same mistakes that brought GM down. The all-new 2008 Scion xB is a blot on Toyota’s relatively unblemished copybook. It bristles with classic GM-think: dumb it down, fatten it up and cheapen it out.

The original xB was a brilliant design, an instant cult-classic, as iconic as the first VW Beetle. The box fresh box elicited the same emotional responses as the old bug: children, freshly-minted motorists and the young at heart all loved it. The xB was barely longer than a MINI and almost as much fun to drive, with the accommodations of a Tahoe and 30-plus mpg.

If the last gen xB evoked images of a laquered bento box lunch, the new xB evokes a big, sloppy hamburger wrapped in greasy paper. Toyota’s drive to assimilate into the American heartland is relentless; its Texas Tundra brand BBQ sauce-stained fingerprints are all over this little porker.

The xB has gained 650 pounds, a foot in length, and three inches in width. Obviously, there’s a price to pay at the gas pump for that corn-fed heft. EPA numbers are down almost 25 percent for the city cycle (’06 adjusted), from 28 to 22 mpg.

That xB’s extra 12 inches are totally wasted; it all goes to making the hood longer. More room to mount a set of Texas steer horns? And since height is reduced, the XB actually loses usable passenger space.

The throne-like seating position has lost four inches of leg room. Headroom has also diminished. Ditto the back seat, where my 6’4” frame once sat in limo-comfort, with a good four inches of clearance to the front back-rest. Now my knees graze the horrendously cheap-feeling fabric of the front seats.

The xB’s front seats might as well have been lifted straight out of a 1971 Chevy Vega. Where the old thrones were nicely bolstered and contoured, with a nubby textural two-tone fabric, the new ones are molded blobs covered in a dreary monolithic black fabric. The Chevy Aveo’s seats put these to shame.

Toyota must have scored a volume deal from GM for vintage interior molds; the door panels are now harder than a trigonometry quiz. The xB’s lamentable polymerization also includes the upper arm-rest surface where my elbow likes to rest. At least the Vega had a little cushion there.

The xB’s interior package suffers mightily from the reshaped dimensions, the new seating position and the new model's higher belt-line. The xB’s superb view– favored by many of its elderly patrons– has been cruelly reduced. Now one sits deep and low, Hummer style, peering out gun-slit windows. And less of them: the rear three-quarter windows have disappeared.

The cute, perfectly positioned, oval-shaped analog instrument cluster that once perched atop the xB’s artistically shaped and textured dash has been replaced by four small oval, orange-lit displays. They're buried low and deep in the middle of the ponderous dash. The nervously-flashing digital speedometer is yet another 1980’s GM throw-back.

The new XB has the Camry’s 2.4-liter 158hp engine. It’s a competent and smooth mill that makes the new xB a faster vehicle, but a less engaging one. The old XB’s little 1.5-liter engine had an eager willingness and mechanical presence that made every trip to the pizzeria fun, especially with the stick.

In another GM-esque move, the Camry’s five-speed automatic didn’t make the bean-counter’s cut; the xB’s old four-speed slushbox soldiers on. Buyers opting for the manual tranny now row their boat with a shifter that protrudes from a large extension from the bottom of the dash– which enhances the perception of lost interior real estate. Equally annoying, the vague-acting clutch pedal sticks up higher than the brake pedal.

The new XB is faster, but the fun (and challenge) is gone. The new-found heft and softer ride takes XB handling from MINI territory right to into Camry Land. And we all now how engaging and exciting THAT is.

The xB’s electrically-assisted steering lacks the crispness and linearity of the former hydraulic unit. There were times I swear I could feel the electric motor on the other end of the steering column muttering at me under its breath– in a way that reminded me of my fifteen year old son.

Is there anything good to say about the new, ostensibly improved Scion XB? Yes. It now comes with cruise control and more air bags.

In short, the xB has become nothing more than a low-content five-door Camry. It’s Toyota’s el-cheapo ($16,230) version of the Chevrolet Malibu Maxx.

In fact, the new xB doesn’t deserve the Scion moniker, which established the brand's U.S. reputation as a provider of affordable automobiles with style, efficiency, quality, innovation and fun. Maybe Toyota could get a deal on the Oldsmobile name from GM."
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Old May 15, 2007 | 01:11 PM
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Though everything in that article might be true, that black xB at the bottom of it looks a lot more bad *** than the original one ever could.
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Old May 15, 2007 | 02:02 PM
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Just like any other current car in the world. Each generation gets fatter and heavier. They made the Box car bigger, therefore more weight was added, so they had to put in a bigger engine just so it can lug itself around, which then returns lower gas mileage.

I'll be damned if the we find TV screens in a Lotus Elise within the next 10 years.
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