I think both cars will be great in their own respect... Lexus going the extra 10th in a straight line and BMW the extra 10th in a corner.

From pictures the bimmer looks more cohesive, but the IS-F had a better looking base to start with.
The interior of the IS far outpaces the BMW.

Its hard to say which would be the better overall package, but for my money i'd pick the F (were the V8 in an E46 shell it would be another story), while I see all the magazines going gaga over the M.

I have a good feeling about the tricked out 8 speed, it remains to be seen if they can deliver on their promise.

The funny thing is that Nissan GTR is going to walk all over both of these.

We will see.

I have both deposits for M3 and IS-F.

I am #2 for IS-F at Steven Creek Lexus and I am on the list for M3 at Steven Creek BMW (they did not mention the price at this point, so I am guessing that they are going to jack the price, and if they do, I am saying Bye Bye to them)

I am honestly leaning towards to M3, only because IS-F will basically be the same as my IS350 but with bigger motor and riceier body kits. But you can't lose either way. They are both awesome car.

But then again,on the second though, I might just end up with diesel X5 when it comes out next year. I am diesel turbo guy at heart. I am kinda fed up with smallish car that doesnt really fit me very well.
P.S I have started at thread about BMW M3 vs Is-F a while back.

Wow, considering that we don't know, I'll just take a wild guess and say

Handling? M3 easily
Straight line? this is where the IS-F might be able to outdo an M3

If history is any indication, the M3 will be the better sports/GT car. No problem. Feel free to prove us wrong, Lexus.

I think the posts and comments on this thread are going to be pretty much similar to the ones from IS350 vs. 335i. You can just copy and paste from there. Especially now, before both of the cars are in production.

That comment holds no ground here in this thread because the GTR is neither a BMW or Lexus. Therefor, it can run curcles around a Porsche 911 Turbo, but its still a Nissan and far far away from what a Lexus or BMW is...


I use the comparison between a Natural Bodybuilder who has his health, diet, rest, and training in check, to a GymRat who shoots up the latest 1000mg mixture of Testosterone.

No, you are wrong.

And Supra is known for the rubbery feeling shifter.

Oh ya? So I guess the IS-F's 5.0L should be more powerful than Ferrari F430's 4.3L engine? And the Ford's 5.4L V8 then should be more powerful than the IS-F?

The IS-F is more like a big amatuer looking to challenge a finely tuned professional athlete (yes the GTR). The GTR may be a Nissan but its still LEGENDARY.

Yes, its Legendary, and just a few minutes ago I read a thread on how skyline killed an S/C M3, but the refinement and balance the M3 and IS-F will have is far more superior.

Its like having a "lady in the streets and a freak in the bed!" LOL....

Not from my experience. BMW's shifters are actually fairly good. Not Honda-good, but still quite good.

I've never felt a Toyota shifter that felt good. It always feel like a disconnected joint, or a kid's toy.

Good job on displaying ignorance

The auto tranny in the IS-F will shift faster than any human can and will upshift and downshift just like an SMG; it will be nothing like the autoboxes out there right now. They've stated this several times; only someone who hasn't read the press releases could make this kind of statement. We've already seen how efficient Toyota trannies are in the IS350.

As for head to head; I think the Lexus will be faster in acceleration in straight line, will brake better, will be more comfortable and luxurious inside, will ride better.

I think the handling prowess will have a slight edge to BMW because of the chassis feedback; but we might get surprised here; Lexus let loose their engineers on this beast. But as for grip and agility (slalom), I see the cars being very close with possibly a slight edge going to BMW.

As for price, Lexus will win that battle too; as I expect an optioned IS-F to go for a good bit less than an optioned M3

No need for personal comments like this please. Discuss & debate about his points about the CAR, NOT the person.