Diesels in a Lexus!
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many of my forum comrades have the same noise, and they're using 91-93 octane.
the 2nd link in my sig shows how it sounds with the hood down.
benz diesel circa 1985 !
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oh u poor guys, i never knew ES was such a problematic car apart from the transmission problems
wow, now i see just what ppl are talking about when they say the new ES is unlike any other lexus
lol
i bet the IS220D is more quiet than ur ES330
lol
ur car sounds like my friend's diesel jetta
btw more of isuzu's diesel stuff will be used with toyota more than lexus
cant wait to see diesel hybrids
wow, now i see just what ppl are talking about when they say the new ES is unlike any other lexus
lol
i bet the IS220D is more quiet than ur ES330
lol
ur car sounds like my friend's diesel jetta
btw more of isuzu's diesel stuff will be used with toyota more than lexus
cant wait to see diesel hybrids
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Too Expensive
Top Toyota Engineer Talks Diesel & Other Power for the US Market
DETROIT, Jan 8, 2007; Reuters reported that Toyota Motor Corp.'s top engineer said on Monday that diesel-powered vehicles that would clear strict clean-air regulations in the United States would be too pricey to be worth the fuel savings.
"I won't deny that we might be offering a diesel in the United States some time in the future," said Executive Vice President Masatami Takimoto, who overseas Toyota's research and development.
"But right now we think hybrids are much more cost competitive," he told reporters on the sidelines at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit.
Domestic Japanese rivals Honda Motor Co. and Nissan Motor Co. have both said they were preparing a clean diesel powertrain for launch by the end of the decade in the United States, which is due to introduce the strictest diesel emissions regulations in the world soon.
But with the particulate filter traps and other added components needed to clean tailpipe emissions, Takimoto said the likely price premium on the cars would not justify a choice over hybrids for now, at least in the United States.
Toyota, a relative laggard in diesel technology, in November tied up with diesel-savvy Japanese truck maker Isuzu Motors Ltd. in an attempt to catch up, but Takimoto said a roadmap on how to proceed was wide open.
Plug-in hybrids, which were all the buzz at the auto show in Detroit this week, could be a good way to save fuel and cut carbon dioxide emissions, Takimoto said.
But he also stressed that an advanced enough battery was still years away from practical application.
"To make plug-in hybrids feasible, you'd need a battery that is far smaller, lighter and advanced than the best lithium-ion batteries out there today," he told reporters.
He said Toyota was currently developing such a battery in-house, as well as with battery-business partner Matsu****a Electric Industrial Co.
Takimoto said the best use of plug-in hybrids also depended heavily on the method in which countries produce electricity. If fossil fuels such as coal are used to create electricity, the resulting emissions on a "well-to-wheel" basis would remain high, he noted.
DETROIT, Jan 8, 2007; Reuters reported that Toyota Motor Corp.'s top engineer said on Monday that diesel-powered vehicles that would clear strict clean-air regulations in the United States would be too pricey to be worth the fuel savings.
"I won't deny that we might be offering a diesel in the United States some time in the future," said Executive Vice President Masatami Takimoto, who overseas Toyota's research and development.
"But right now we think hybrids are much more cost competitive," he told reporters on the sidelines at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit.
Domestic Japanese rivals Honda Motor Co. and Nissan Motor Co. have both said they were preparing a clean diesel powertrain for launch by the end of the decade in the United States, which is due to introduce the strictest diesel emissions regulations in the world soon.
But with the particulate filter traps and other added components needed to clean tailpipe emissions, Takimoto said the likely price premium on the cars would not justify a choice over hybrids for now, at least in the United States.
Toyota, a relative laggard in diesel technology, in November tied up with diesel-savvy Japanese truck maker Isuzu Motors Ltd. in an attempt to catch up, but Takimoto said a roadmap on how to proceed was wide open.
Plug-in hybrids, which were all the buzz at the auto show in Detroit this week, could be a good way to save fuel and cut carbon dioxide emissions, Takimoto said.
But he also stressed that an advanced enough battery was still years away from practical application.
"To make plug-in hybrids feasible, you'd need a battery that is far smaller, lighter and advanced than the best lithium-ion batteries out there today," he told reporters.
He said Toyota was currently developing such a battery in-house, as well as with battery-business partner Matsu****a Electric Industrial Co.
Takimoto said the best use of plug-in hybrids also depended heavily on the method in which countries produce electricity. If fossil fuels such as coal are used to create electricity, the resulting emissions on a "well-to-wheel" basis would remain high, he noted.
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No its fastest and most powerful in class. But its not a rather smooth engine and well, it is the first gen diesel Lexus, so it won't be fantastic. In the future it will only get better. It finished 3rd out of 4 cars in a CAR mag comparo.
The car is selling like hotcakes in Europe.
The car is selling like hotcakes in Europe.
When in Toyota, it got best-in-class reviews for several different vehicles (Corolla Verso, Avensis, Rav4) against every major brand, including VW and BMW.
However, same engine in IS220d gets worse ratings for refinement, against same competitors :-). Now call that for what you want, but a lot of it is from Lexus is just an Toyota magazine thinking in Europe.
Was it actually faster 0-60 in CAR vs 3 series? Didnt buy CAR for few months now.
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:-)
I hope people dont expect diesels to sound as that though, it would be the quietest diesel in the world.
When we Europeans say new diesels cant be heard, we are usually being very kind to diesels :-).
My Rav4 is way, way louder than that... even new Avensis with brand new small diesel, designed for low noise is a lot louder outside in cold morning than that.
Same goes for 330d inline 6 I drove just few weeks back.
Now of course, after warmup, steady 65-70mph, they are pretty quiet and enjoyable. Even sporty sounding after 3,000 rpm. But every morning, the tick-tick game annoys the heck out of me.
I was just thinking how I would buy V6 Rav4 if it was available in Europe, even though I could never sell it as used car, ever, after driving nice V6 Land Cruiser Prado.
Price of gas I could bear, but resale values of used petrol cars in Europe are non-existant...
I hope people dont expect diesels to sound as that though, it would be the quietest diesel in the world.
When we Europeans say new diesels cant be heard, we are usually being very kind to diesels :-).
My Rav4 is way, way louder than that... even new Avensis with brand new small diesel, designed for low noise is a lot louder outside in cold morning than that.
Same goes for 330d inline 6 I drove just few weeks back.
Now of course, after warmup, steady 65-70mph, they are pretty quiet and enjoyable. Even sporty sounding after 3,000 rpm. But every morning, the tick-tick game annoys the heck out of me.
I was just thinking how I would buy V6 Rav4 if it was available in Europe, even though I could never sell it as used car, ever, after driving nice V6 Land Cruiser Prado.
Price of gas I could bear, but resale values of used petrol cars in Europe are non-existant...
Last edited by spwolf; Jan 9, 2007 at 06:09 PM.
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