LexFather

Finally, whereas all the brands with a clue, have the technology and style start at the top and trickle its way down into its less expensive brothers, well with Infiniti, they started at the G35, and began slapping the Avalon tailights on every car, including the Q45.


Avalon


And there you have it. Now not do make a flagship. I have yet to figure out how in 15 years, they could not figure out the same market that everyone else is in. Its downright confusing

flipside909

I agree...the M45 has Avalon lights...next thing you know the FX35/45 and the QX56 are going to adopt the same style.

flipside909

Here are a few more:

LexusChris

iTrader: (1)

That is interesting I have never realized how Infiniti's tailamps on most models resemble the Avalon...give me a Avalon though over the Q45...

Dynasty SC

i think its a smart move... they should just completely redesign the Q a la G. they could still call it a Q, but completely change the lines etc. infiniti is doing good... dont blame them because they dont whave the track record that lexus has. but they are doing very well for themselves these days and should take advantage of their growing popularity by bringing a real flagship into the lineup. agreed, the Q isnt even close to the LS, S, or 7. it needs more of a gimmick... more power, more luxury... more accessories... but it still does need to undercut the competition in terms of price to succeed at the start.

ST430

I remember when the new Q first came out. Nissan flaunted publicly the code name for it was NE, i.e. NO EXCUSES. Several years and only several thousands sales later, with bad performance figures (345hp and it was slower than the 290hp LS), it's now quoted as no longer Infiniti's flagship....Nissan has the technology and engineers, only if their marketing and design folks had a clue, they wouldn't of been bought out by the frenchies in the first place....The G35 was a good start, but honestly the M45 does not turn me on the least. THey need fresh ideas and products to be perceived as a threat to Lexus.

Xenthar

Lets not forget where these taillights actually did start back in 98 with the BMW 3 series. Great design which is why toyota and nissan decided to take design cues from it.

Gojirra99

The 3 series tail lights is the least attractive part of an otherwise good looking car IMO . . . but those on the new one are even worse

Koma

iTrader: (3)

No. BAD INFINITI! BAD!


G35coupe and FX45 are the only appealing vehicles from Infiniti for me... A model above the Q isn't smart.

TLW

i like the Q's and the M's



i would like to see what they would come out with

DrRick

mike, youre my man and all, but i gotta give it to you. you call infiniti derivative but youre all up in arms when a MB purist calls the LS a copy-cat. and god forbid anyone say the new GS looks like a maxima (which i still cant tell the difference between from a distance). then you say there is no infiniti in europe or japan. well, as far as a i can tell, there was no lexus either (in japan) til bout 6 mos ago. you know i love lexus (and CL in particular) but the swipes at infiniti and every other car maker are getting alittle superfluous (SAT word). infiniti is doing a great job. my car has been just as trouble free as my previous GS (both swallowed cd changers) and the service has been as good if not better. lexus does things the right way.....of this there can be no denial. but some of the hate towards the upstarts is ridiculous.
*only like the 1st sentence or two is directed at mike.
*directed at mike ---- im gonna be in atl this weekend and my girl (or whatever she is these days) is outta town. we gonna party or what?

Doc

Iceman

I just don't "get" Infiniti. I was thinking about this today, stuck in traffic behind the first new M I've seen on the road (it was a pearl white M35x, and I was literally amazed at how plain and unimpressive it looked).

When I see any generation of the I sedan, I actually like the looks. Those were the only attractive Infiniti vehicles ever produced, IMO. I know I'm in the minority of the young enthusiast crowd here at CL who tend to like the new G, but it just looks cheap and bubbly to me. I actually like the looks of the FX, but realize that it is a niche vehicle, designed to turn heads whether from admiration or derision doesn't matter.

In any event, is the new M really selling all that well? Like I said, today was the first time I've seen one in person. I think it came out around the same time as the new GS and RL, and I've seen a lot more of both of those driving around. As for the Q, are they even selling it any more? *just kidding, kind of*

A new "halo" or flagship sedan could potentially work for Infiniti, but only if they took the Lexus approach that Mike described so well and absolutely blew the rest of the market away. If it's just another relatively good car (which it seems is about the best thing even Infiniti fanatics can say about their vehicles), then it will do nothing for them. Maybe they should actually give up on the Infiniti brand and roll those models into the Nissan lineup--kind of a reverse "Lexus in Japan" approach?

AJL0365

i unfortuanly work for lake norman chrysler jeep dodge, and next to the dealership is lake norman infiniti, its kinda like a joint thing between the two dealerships because we clean the infiniti cars, (carpet, waxing, windows, etc...) and we they delever a new full to us ( car that has just came off the truck thats ready for waxing and such) i never see a Q come off, a matter of fact, Q's never come to our dealership, only QX, FX,G, M cars only come. and the area i live in is a (basically) snobby rich people that think they are better than everyone else. and they'll buy the M45 Sport models, FX45, but no one ever buys Q, (i think because they are ugly and have the bumper of a ford taurus (newer models). and the ting about the G35, they are acually nice cars ( my favorite infiniti honesty) but the only thing going for them is the powertrain and the sound they make when u start it up or press accelerator, the interior for the G isnt really all that luxurious in my opinion, and after a while, with practically all infiniti i do inside of (cabin) they gain this really musty smell, i honestly smell the same smell in all infiniti's that are used, dont know if someone is spraying something in it, but i seriosuly doubt that, but i think its the leather thats causing that smell, and with black leather in ALL infiniti's especially the G, they are really hard to clean!!!! they gather ****e spots on them and they never come out, its annoying. well im done giving my two cents about infiniti. but i really do like the brand, but i will never consider purchasing one, if one was given to me, i'll will trade it in for a lexus or toyota

Order66

Infiniti's problems go all the way back to the original Q. They blamed its poor sales on the fact that it did not have a grill and not the insane advertising campaign they ran. Since then they mostly try to give customers things they already have with other brands and at the expense of their own ideas.

They had a vision with that first Q, but have since then been playing catch up to consumer's tastes and wants ever since. They were the first with such things as remote window control, but last at most everything else.

Infiinit keeps trying to be a different version of Lexus, but they need to be themselves and inovate to find success. The FX and current coupe prove they have it in them still.

Kaban

I mean the Q45. I thought it was selling for about $46k or so, sorry if I didn't get the price right. A few years back I saw an Infiniti ad in the news paper selling it for if I remember correctly $46k.