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Old May 14, 2005 | 09:53 AM
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It's a FWD, the car has a lot of TTE parts on it.
TTE develloped the car.
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Old May 14, 2005 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by biker
For some reason the US versions of most Japanese economy and mid sized sedans are usually the bland and boring versions compared to European models. .
The answer to this can generally be wrapped up in one word:
Emissions.

And.....Europe and Japan usually get the hatchback and wagon models that we don't simply because they sell better overseas. Look at the VW Jetta/Golf....perfect example. Ten Jettas, on the average, go out the door here for every Golf. Americans in general don't like hatchbacks....but there are some signs that that may be changing.
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Old May 14, 2005 | 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
The answer to this can generally be wrapped up in one word:
Emissions.

And.....Europe and Japan usually get the hatchback and wagon models that we don't simply because they sell better overseas. Look at the VW Jetta/Golf....perfect example. Ten Jettas, on the average, go out the door here for every Golf. Americans in general don't like hatchbacks....but there are some signs that that may be changing.
I heart hatchbacks!

Is there a difference between liftbacks and hatchbacks?
Cause the ones I like are like, Supras, Celicas, Corvettes, tC.
I'm not a huge fan of the ones that have doors like minivans. Civic, Matrix.
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Old May 14, 2005 | 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Koma
I heart hatchbacks!

Is there a difference between liftbacks and hatchbacks?
Cause the ones I like are like, Supras, Celicas, Corvettes, tC.
I'm not a huge fan of the ones that have doors like minivans. Civic, Matrix.
Yes, sports-car-type hatchbacks do very well here, but the ones I were referring to are the ones you mention that open like minivans. The 225 HP Corolla that is the subject of this thread is in the latter group....squarebacks that open like minivans.

Now....having said that, IMO there is no practical reason WHY squarebacks should not well here....it is an extremely practical design, with good space efficiency.....but Americans, for whatever reason, have often associated low-priced hatchbacks with cheapness. As I said previously, though, there are some signs of that starting to change.

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Old May 14, 2005 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Yes, sports-car-type hatchbacks do very well here, but the ones I were referring to are the ones you mention that open like minivans. The 225 HP Corolla that is the subject of this thread is in the latter group....squarebacks that open like minivans.

Now....having said that, IMO there is no practical reason WHY squarebacks should not well here....it is an extremely practical design, with good space efficiency.....but Americans, for whatever reason, have often associated low-priced hatchbacks with cheapness. As I said previously, though, there are some signs of that starting to change.
the xB is selling quite well
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Old May 14, 2005 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by xioix
the xB is selling quite well
Yes..as I said, there are some signs that hatchbacks are starting to sell again....That is one of them.

And...interesting......I consider the xB the ugliest hatchback of all....the Pontiac Aztek has an ugly grille and front end but the XB, IMO, is ugly all over. The xB's shoe-box styling, though, does wonders for space efficiency.
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Old May 14, 2005 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Yes..as I said, there are some signs that hatchbacks are starting to sell again....That is one of them.

And...interesting......I consider the xB the ugliest hatchback of all....the Pontiac Aztek has an ugly grille and front end but the XB, IMO, is ugly all over. The xB's shoe-box styling, though, does wonders for space efficiency.
i really would have thought that the xA would out sell the xB becasue of styling, but poeple just love the box look
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Old May 14, 2005 | 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by xioix
i really would have thought that the xA would out sell the xB becasue of styling, but poeple just love the box look
I know the older crowd buy them because they are cheap and reliable. I see more older people buying them instead of the younger crowd.
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Old May 14, 2005 | 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Koma
I know the older crowd buy them because they are cheap and reliable. I see more older people buying them instead of the younger crowd.
ive seen moslty young people, i guess it depends whre you live
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Old May 15, 2005 | 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
The answer to this can generally be wrapped up in one word:
Emissions.

And.....Europe and Japan usually get the hatchback and wagon models that we don't simply because they sell better overseas. Look at the VW Jetta/Golf....perfect example. Ten Jettas, on the average, go out the door here for every Golf. Americans in general don't like hatchbacks....but there are some signs that that may be changing.
What does emissions have to do with the shape of the sheet metal?
And European emission standards are about on par with US ones.

Hatchbacks, wagons will make a come back, although it will will be many years until Americans are weaned off SUVs.
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Old May 15, 2005 | 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by O. L. T.
Personally i'd love to be around the water tower at lunchtime and hear" I raced the corolla again, got beat badly."
I sure would hate to get beat by a CRAPOLA
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Old May 15, 2005 | 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by biker
What does emissions have to do with the shape of the sheet metal?
And European emission standards are about on par with US ones.

Hatchbacks, wagons will make a come back, although it will will be many years until Americans are weaned off SUVs.
Correct...emissions don't determine body styles, but I was responding to your question of why Europeans get " exciting " models that we don't. By " exciting " I assumed you meant different and more powerful engines, like the Civic Type R, Audi S3, etc..... vehicles that are sold only in Europe or Japan and not offered here in the U.S. A large part of the answer is emissions. It costs money to certify an engine here to EPA standards, and a manufacturer is usually not going to do it if the real (or perceived) market for that particular engine is not here. You state that European emission standards are about on a par as those here. Not really. With the exception of their cleaner diesel fuel, we have been far ahead of them, especially in California, though it is true that they are catching up.
Sometimes, though, a manufacturer will change their mind and go ahead and spend the money to do it here......as with the Mitsubishi Evo and the Subaru WRX and STi.

I assume you were also referring to more "exciting" suspensions in Europe. Again, emissions have nothing to do with that, but in general roads are smoother there, and this allows the use of firmer tires and suspension components and a lower stance. One could argue that some roads in the U.S. would allow that, but obviously it would be impractical for a manufacturer to design two different U.S. models....one for the Sun Belt with its glass-smooth roads and another one for the Snow Belt with roads that look (and feel) like the surface of the moon.
They also have to take into account that many buyers are going to "slam" or "tune" the car anyway and put on their own springs and wheels.

I hope that clarifies it a little for you.

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