Why only 3.0L for the new GS300?
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Originally posted by biker
All of this talk of the new GS being down on power compared to others is virtually meaningless to the typical GS buyer - they don't care about that sutff.
All of this talk of the new GS being down on power compared to others is virtually meaningless to the typical GS buyer - they don't care about that sutff.
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Originally posted by Falcon LS
The GS is more of a performance orientated model...so I think it will be a point of concern to a majority of the buyers.
The GS is more of a performance orientated model...so I think it will be a point of concern to a majority of the buyers.
And I bet you won't find much marketing material touting it's performance - they'll be marketing all the MB type things that the typical well healed buyer of such a car cares about. - safety, gadgets, stereo, fancy leather, service (especially now that MB droped their free service), reliability, etc..
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I see what you guys are saying that the V8 is there for performance. However the AWD is only for the V6 so this has some extra weight and not much power. I'd buy a V8 AWD but Lexus isn't making it.
Also I realize the power thing isn't important to Lexus per-se. However Like I said, very lesser cars like the Passat will have 260+hp option not to mention a $25K Accord. I mean it's not like I'm asking them to invent the best engine in the world. It wouldn't kill them to develop a 3.5L that is becoming the norm in the industry. I mean for $20K you can pick up a 3.5L in a Dodge. It's not rocket science.
Even the 5-series the so-called GS bogie will have a 3.5L next year.
Also I realize the power thing isn't important to Lexus per-se. However Like I said, very lesser cars like the Passat will have 260+hp option not to mention a $25K Accord. I mean it's not like I'm asking them to invent the best engine in the world. It wouldn't kill them to develop a 3.5L that is becoming the norm in the industry. I mean for $20K you can pick up a 3.5L in a Dodge. It's not rocket science.
Even the 5-series the so-called GS bogie will have a 3.5L next year.
Last edited by rai; Nov 21, 2004 at 10:14 AM.
Originally posted by iloveGS300
If you want to talk about underpowered car. Take a look at the 525i. Its about 45,000 and 184 hp. talk about living in the past.
Robert
If you want to talk about underpowered car. Take a look at the 525i. Its about 45,000 and 184 hp. talk about living in the past.
Robert
While very underpowered... it still moves decently...
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Originally posted by LexusLuver
Not quite, GM thought they could sell the 350hp GTO easily, turned out nobody wanted them
GM decides to bump the power, still no buyers, then GM had to increase incentives.
The GTO is actually limited in production #'s, but GM can't move them off their lots.
There just isn't a large market for these types of cars anymore.
Not quite, GM thought they could sell the 350hp GTO easily, turned out nobody wanted them
GM decides to bump the power, still no buyers, then GM had to increase incentives.
The GTO is actually limited in production #'s, but GM can't move them off their lots.
There just isn't a large market for these types of cars anymore.
The GTO's problem last year was that it was simply too plain-looking for the tastes of most of its potential buyers. GM and Pontiac just didn't do enough to separate the car visually from the Australian Holden Monaro that it orignated from. At the Washington, DC Auto Show last year I heard numerous comments about the car looking like a rental car instead of a performance car. This year GM is addressing some of those complaints with recesssed hood scoops (like the original car) and better-looking grilles. There is even a bright orange Judge coming, like in 1969-1970. Time will tell if this will increase sales.
Now..as far as the GS 3.0 engine is concerned, I myself would have been happier if they had kept the 3.0 inline-6.....ESPECIALLY if they had given it a little more HP/torque and adapted IT to the new All-Wheel-Drive system instead of the V6. That 3.0 in-line, even though it is not a drag-racing motor, is a real gem of a powerplant....smooth, reasonably powerful, quiet, refined, and most of all, RELIABLE.
Originally posted by mmarshall
Now..as far as the GS 3.0 engine is concerned, I myself would have been happier if they had kept the 3.0 inline-6.....ESPECIALLY if they had given it a little more HP/torque and adapted IT to the new All-Wheel-Drive system instead of the V6. That 3.0 in-line, even though it is not a drag-racing motor, is a real gem of a powerplant....smooth, reasonably powerful, quiet, refined, and most of all, RELIABLE.
Now..as far as the GS 3.0 engine is concerned, I myself would have been happier if they had kept the 3.0 inline-6.....ESPECIALLY if they had given it a little more HP/torque and adapted IT to the new All-Wheel-Drive system instead of the V6. That 3.0 in-line, even though it is not a drag-racing motor, is a real gem of a powerplant....smooth, reasonably powerful, quiet, refined, and most of all, RELIABLE.
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Originally posted by RTCamaroSS
while im no engineer... i think one of the reasons for ditching the long inline engine, is that the awd system may not have been able to fit... the V6 engine is not as long in comparison, and maybe was easier to work around. just a thought...
while im no engineer... i think one of the reasons for ditching the long inline engine, is that the awd system may not have been able to fit... the V6 engine is not as long in comparison, and maybe was easier to work around. just a thought...
I had not thought of that.
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Originally posted by rai
I see what you guys are saying that the V8 is there for performance. However the AWD is only for the V6 so this has some extra weight and not much power. I'd buy a V8 AWD but Lexus isn't making it.
Also I realize the power thing isn't important to Lexus per-se. However Like I said, very lesser cars like the Passat will have 260+hp option not to mention a $25K Accord. I mean it's not like I'm asking them to invent the best engine in the world. It wouldn't kill them to develop a 3.5L that is becoming the norm in the industry. I mean for $20K you can pick up a 3.5L in a Dodge. It's not rocket science.
Even the 5-series the so-called GS bogie will have a 3.5L next year.
I see what you guys are saying that the V8 is there for performance. However the AWD is only for the V6 so this has some extra weight and not much power. I'd buy a V8 AWD but Lexus isn't making it.
Also I realize the power thing isn't important to Lexus per-se. However Like I said, very lesser cars like the Passat will have 260+hp option not to mention a $25K Accord. I mean it's not like I'm asking them to invent the best engine in the world. It wouldn't kill them to develop a 3.5L that is becoming the norm in the industry. I mean for $20K you can pick up a 3.5L in a Dodge. It's not rocket science.
Even the 5-series the so-called GS bogie will have a 3.5L next year.
A 3.5L from BMW will be news especially for BMW itself - they are keeping the inline 3.0L 6 but just bumping the power up to 258HP. The BMW 535 (not available in NA) is a dual turbo diesel 6 whose displacement is still around 3L.
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I'm a fan of smaller engines.
The fact that it's a 3.0L is perfectly fine with me. I just wish it were still inline.
But I guess now that they're moving some GS production to the US, they might as well stick a V6 in it.
No respect for roots, none at all...
The fact that it's a 3.0L is perfectly fine with me. I just wish it were still inline.
But I guess now that they're moving some GS production to the US, they might as well stick a V6 in it.
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Originally posted by wantAnewLex
I'm a fan of smaller engines.
The fact that it's a 3.0L is perfectly fine with me. I just wish it were still inline.
But I guess now that they're moving some GS production to the US, they might as well stick a V6 in it.
No respect for roots, none at all...
I'm a fan of smaller engines.
The fact that it's a 3.0L is perfectly fine with me. I just wish it were still inline.
But I guess now that they're moving some GS production to the US, they might as well stick a V6 in it.
No respect for roots, none at all...
I doubt the GS would be built in the US because frankly, they don't build any RWD sedans here. ANd all their other plants are running at max capacity. I could see the ES330 production moving here though because it could be built alongside the Camry in Kentucky with minimal modifications to the plant.
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I must admit, I am surprised the GS 300 stays at 3.0 liters. Especially since everyone else has bumped up hp and displacement and marketed such (Insted of selling complete vehicles). But technology is getting better, so more HP with the same or better fuel economy is progress.
Is it a mistake? Not sure. The HP does bump from 220 to 245. We are losing a famed, legendary I-6 for a pedestrian, applianceish V-6. The HP is near the bottom of the pack, most competitors see 250hp V-6 as the starting point.
Funny but 15 years ago, Lexus LS 400 and SC 400 has a 4.0liter 250hp V-8! That was class leading. This new V-6 and the 4.3 V-8 are solid but not class leading.
I can only HOPE and believe that the 3.0 WILL BE coupled with a hybrid in the future. And that is the reason for this move.
I DO LOVE the fact the engine is all new and built for Lexus. And not shared with 500 other cars/SUVs and Vans/Planes/Blenders/Lawnmowers.
We'll see. I am skeptical for a change...
Is it a mistake? Not sure. The HP does bump from 220 to 245. We are losing a famed, legendary I-6 for a pedestrian, applianceish V-6. The HP is near the bottom of the pack, most competitors see 250hp V-6 as the starting point.
Funny but 15 years ago, Lexus LS 400 and SC 400 has a 4.0liter 250hp V-8! That was class leading. This new V-6 and the 4.3 V-8 are solid but not class leading.
I can only HOPE and believe that the 3.0 WILL BE coupled with a hybrid in the future. And that is the reason for this move.
I DO LOVE the fact the engine is all new and built for Lexus. And not shared with 500 other cars/SUVs and Vans/Planes/Blenders/Lawnmowers.
We'll see. I am skeptical for a change...
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Originally posted by Skinny
Where did you read they are moving GS production to the US????
I doubt the GS would be built in the US because frankly, they don't build any RWD sedans here. ANd all their other plants are running at max capacity. I could see the ES330 production moving here though because it could be built alongside the Camry in Kentucky with minimal modifications to the plant.
Where did you read they are moving GS production to the US????
I doubt the GS would be built in the US because frankly, they don't build any RWD sedans here. ANd all their other plants are running at max capacity. I could see the ES330 production moving here though because it could be built alongside the Camry in Kentucky with minimal modifications to the plant.
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even though lexus doesnt want to compete in the horsepower wars, they still need to present a more descent engine with more power. And wow...the gs is going to be made here? Not a good move by lexus imo. Build quality might turn into crap.
EDIT: oh nvm...i read it wrong.. My bad
EDIT: oh nvm...i read it wrong.. My bad
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Originally posted by Xenthar
even though lexus doesnt want to compete in the horsepower wars, they still need to present a more descent engine with more power. And wow...the gs is going to be made here? Not a good move by lexus imo. Build quality might turn into crap. It seems lexus is now cutting costs
even though lexus doesnt want to compete in the horsepower wars, they still need to present a more descent engine with more power. And wow...the gs is going to be made here? Not a good move by lexus imo. Build quality might turn into crap. It seems lexus is now cutting costs