View Poll Results: S4 for 50K or Legacy GT for 30K?
S4 - 50K$
8
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Ausdi S4 Vs. Legacy GT
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Ausdi S4 Vs. Legacy GT
Do you guys really think the S4 worth 20K more?
Audi S4; 4.2 V8 340hp; AWD; 50K$
Subaru Legacy GT; 2.5T 250hp (5K$ STI option with over 300hp); AWD; 30K$
Audi S4; 4.2 V8 340hp; AWD; 50K$
Subaru Legacy GT; 2.5T 250hp (5K$ STI option with over 300hp); AWD; 30K$
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wouold have to drive
them both, and then just think about what my mod plans are if any, think about the best deal, and the hit audi's take. i am sure the legacy will take a hit too....my .2 cents
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The Soob is an awful lot of car for the money; you're certainly getting more than 60% of the performance and value of the S4. Clean styling (and what ARE those warts on the S4's sills??) for both, but definitely a surprise from Subaru.
Like 'em both; the better value is definitely the Lance Armstrongmobile.
Like 'em both; the better value is definitely the Lance Armstrongmobile.
0-60:
S4: 5.3 sec (manual)
Legacy GT: 5.3 sec (manual)
Went testdriving the S4 with my friends a few weeks ago. The power delivery is very smooth, but it's not a crazy fast car. C32 and M3 feels much stronger when accelerating. Maybe the V8 is too smooth. Handling is great tho.
However the interior leaves nothing to be desired. Still dark and cheap. Material is just OK quality, certainly don't feel like a 50k car. More like a Passat.
I would take a Legacy in a heartbeat. I think it looks better, has more potential in power in the long run, roomier, and I like its interior alot more.
plus 20k less than the S4.
S4: 5.3 sec (manual)
Legacy GT: 5.3 sec (manual)
Went testdriving the S4 with my friends a few weeks ago. The power delivery is very smooth, but it's not a crazy fast car. C32 and M3 feels much stronger when accelerating. Maybe the V8 is too smooth. Handling is great tho.
However the interior leaves nothing to be desired. Still dark and cheap. Material is just OK quality, certainly don't feel like a 50k car. More like a Passat.
I would take a Legacy in a heartbeat. I think it looks better, has more potential in power in the long run, roomier, and I like its interior alot more.
plus 20k less than the S4.
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Truthfully, in regards to styling I think the Subaru kills the audi. I don't think Audi does enough differentiation between the A4's and the S4. I think the same can be said for the S6's and the RS6. On the other hand NONE of the new Legacy's are out yet, so they may all look the same too. My one drawback on the Soobie is paying that much for a 4 cylinder car. True those will be 4 very powerful cylinders but near $40K for a 4 banger semi luxury car? I dunno how I'd feel. I'll just say both the M3 and C32 would come before these two for sure.
EDIT: I'm not even sure if America will get the B4 Legacy. The Audi's already over here
James
EDIT: I'm not even sure if America will get the B4 Legacy. The Audi's already over here
James
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That loaded LEgacy will be at least 35k, not 30k. Possibly close to 37-38k according to my research.
That loaded LEgacy will be at least 35k, not 30k. Possibly close to 37-38k according to my research.
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Originally posted by jet864
I'll just say both the M3 and C32 would come before these two for sure.
EDIT: I'm not even sure if America will get the B4 Legacy. The Audi's already over here
James
I'll just say both the M3 and C32 would come before these two for sure.
EDIT: I'm not even sure if America will get the B4 Legacy. The Audi's already over here
James
As for coming to the U.S:
SUBARU INTRODUCES ALL-NEW 250-HORSEPOWER LEGACY® 2.5 GT FOR 2005
-- Turbocharged Sedan and Wagon Spearhead Fourth-Generation Legacy Line--
DETROIT, January 5, 2004 - Subaru of America Inc., the only car company that provides Symmetrical All-Wheel Drive as standard equipment on every vehicle in its product line, has introduced the 2005 Legacy 2.5 GT Sedan and Wagon. The most powerful Legacy ever offered in the U.S. market, the 2005 Legacy 2.5 GT is powered by a new 250-horsepower intercooled/turbocharged boxer engine.
Simultaneous with the introduction of the 2005 Legacy 2.5 GT to the media, Subaru of America will reveal product details to consumers on a new Internet micro site, with an address that suggests the brand's premium performance evolution - www.Need-Desire.com.
The 2005 Legacy 2.5 GT will lead a thoroughly revised model line that will include the Legacy 2.5 GT Limited Sedan and Wagon, which feature additional luxury content. Legacy 2.5i and Legacy 2.5i Limited models, both available as a sedan and wagon, are powered by a naturally aspirated 2.5-liter boxer engine that provides enhanced response for 2005.
With a distinctive fusion of style, performance and function, Legacy 2.5 GT will deliver on the promise of a premium driving performance experience. "The 2005 Legacy 2.5 GT is designed to provide the kind of 'sensuous performance' that truly sets it apart from mainstream models," said Fred Adcock, Executive Vice President, Subaru of America, Inc. "Legacy 2.5 GT has been designed to give the driver the kind of power, performance and control that instills premium performance cars with distinct and memorable brand identity," he added.
Built on a new version of the company's proven Ring-Shaped Reinforcement Frame safety structure, the 2005 Legacy models will feature as standard equipment side impact air bags, new side curtain air bags and new intelligent dual-stage deployment front air bags.
Subaru designed the fourth-generation Legacy to express its more dynamic performance and nimbleness. The pronounced wedge body shape conveys a low and stable presence, accentuated by aerodynamic side ground effects and standard 17-inch alloy wheels on Legacy 2.5 GT and 16-inch alloy wheels on other Legacy models.
The wheelbase of the 2005 Legacy has been increased from 104.3 inches to 105.1 inches and overall length has been increased by just under two inches for the sedan and wagon models. The sedan registers a coefficient of drag (Cd) of 0.28 and the wagon 0.30. A functional hood scoop supplies outside air to the engine-mounted intercooler.
High-Performance Intercooled / Turbocharged Engine
The 2005 Legacy 2.5 GT is powered by an intercooled and turbocharged 2.5-liter 4-cylinder boxer engine featuring Active Valve Control System (AVCS) variable valve timing technology. The engine produces 250 horsepower @ 5,600 rpm and 250 lb-ft. of peak torque @ 3,600 rpm.
The 2005 Legacy 2.5 GT will offer a choice between a smooth-shifting 5-speed manual transmission or an all-new 5-speed electronic direct control automatic transmission with the SPORTSHIFT feature for manual control when desired. The driver can choose to shift manually using the console shift handle or shift buttons on the MOMO®-designed steering wheel.
Performance-Bred Chassis
A new, stiffer unitized body structure makes greater use of aluminum and high-strength steel, as well as advanced construction techniques including hydroforming and tailored-blank welding. Suspension, braking and steering have been optimized to complement the powertrain performance in Legacy 2.5 GT. The proven MacPherson type strut front suspension uses all new components, including aluminum lower L-arms that reduce unsprung weight. The multilink rear suspension attaches to a new, hydroformed steel sub-frame for added rigidity. A wider track and revised geometry enhance handling and stability.
A 4-wheel disc Anti-lock Brake System (ABS) with Electronic Brake-force Distribution (EBD) is standard equipment on all 2005 Legacy models. Legacy 2.5 GT features larger front brake rotors than other Legacy models, as well as ventilated rear discs (solid discs on other models). Legacy 2.5 GT models roll on standard 17 x 7-inch aluminum-alloy wheels with 215/45 R17 all-season tires. The rack-and-pinion steering system has been redesigned for quicker response, greater precision and improved feel.
Symmetrical All-Wheel Drive
Subaru offers three different Symmetrical All-Wheel Drive systems in the 2005 Legacy models, each tailored to the type of transmission. With the 5-speed manual transmission, the system uses a viscous-coupling locking center differential to distribute the power 50/50 front to rear. Slippage at either set of wheels will send more power to the other set of wheels. Legacy 2.5 GT models equipped with the optional 5-speed automatic transmission use a system called Variable Torque Distribution (VTD). A planetary center differential works with an electronically controlled continuously variable hydraulic transfer clutch to manage power distribution. The system normally sends more power to the rear wheels to enhance handling agility, and it continuously adjusts the power distribution in response to driving and road conditions.
Legacy 2.5i and Legacy 2.5i Limited models will offer an optional 4-speed automatic transmission, with an AWD system that uses an electronically managed continuously variable transfer clutch to actively control power distribution in response to driving conditions.
All-New Interior Designed for True Grand Touring
The new Legacy interior design integrates the entire area from the instrument panel and large center panel to the console storage box. The sporty new four-dial instrument panel features an electroluminescent LED (light-emitting diode) gauge display in Legacy 2.5 GT. Standard equipment for the 2005 Legacy 2.5 GT includes a dual-zone automatic climate control system, a combination digital clock and trip computer, performance-design front seats with 4-stage heating and heated exterior mirrors. The standard audio system includes a 120-watt AM/FM stereo, a 6-disc in-dash CD changer and six speakers.
Legacy 2.5 GT Limited models add leather-trimmed upholstery, an 8-way power driver's seat and a 4-way power passenger seat. A glass power moonroof is standard on all Legacy GT Limited and Legacy 2.5i Limited models. The dual-panel moonroof on wagon models provides a single large opening when the tilt-up front section and retracting rear section are opened.
Review these features, get detailed specs, and view newly released images at www.Need-Desire.com.
About Subaru of America, Inc.
Subaru of America, Inc. is a wholly owned subsidiary of Fuji Heavy Industries Ltd. of Japan. Headquartered near Philadelphia, the company markets and distributes All-Wheel Drive Subaru vehicles, parts and accessories through a network of nearly 600 dealers across the United States. Subaru is the only car company that provides Symmetrical All-Wheel Drive as standard equipment on every vehicle in its product line. Subaru has been the best-selling import wagon in America for the past 20 years, based on R.L. Polk & Company new vehicle retail registration statistics calendar year-end 2002.
-- Turbocharged Sedan and Wagon Spearhead Fourth-Generation Legacy Line--
DETROIT, January 5, 2004 - Subaru of America Inc., the only car company that provides Symmetrical All-Wheel Drive as standard equipment on every vehicle in its product line, has introduced the 2005 Legacy 2.5 GT Sedan and Wagon. The most powerful Legacy ever offered in the U.S. market, the 2005 Legacy 2.5 GT is powered by a new 250-horsepower intercooled/turbocharged boxer engine.
Simultaneous with the introduction of the 2005 Legacy 2.5 GT to the media, Subaru of America will reveal product details to consumers on a new Internet micro site, with an address that suggests the brand's premium performance evolution - www.Need-Desire.com.
The 2005 Legacy 2.5 GT will lead a thoroughly revised model line that will include the Legacy 2.5 GT Limited Sedan and Wagon, which feature additional luxury content. Legacy 2.5i and Legacy 2.5i Limited models, both available as a sedan and wagon, are powered by a naturally aspirated 2.5-liter boxer engine that provides enhanced response for 2005.
With a distinctive fusion of style, performance and function, Legacy 2.5 GT will deliver on the promise of a premium driving performance experience. "The 2005 Legacy 2.5 GT is designed to provide the kind of 'sensuous performance' that truly sets it apart from mainstream models," said Fred Adcock, Executive Vice President, Subaru of America, Inc. "Legacy 2.5 GT has been designed to give the driver the kind of power, performance and control that instills premium performance cars with distinct and memorable brand identity," he added.
Built on a new version of the company's proven Ring-Shaped Reinforcement Frame safety structure, the 2005 Legacy models will feature as standard equipment side impact air bags, new side curtain air bags and new intelligent dual-stage deployment front air bags.
Subaru designed the fourth-generation Legacy to express its more dynamic performance and nimbleness. The pronounced wedge body shape conveys a low and stable presence, accentuated by aerodynamic side ground effects and standard 17-inch alloy wheels on Legacy 2.5 GT and 16-inch alloy wheels on other Legacy models.
The wheelbase of the 2005 Legacy has been increased from 104.3 inches to 105.1 inches and overall length has been increased by just under two inches for the sedan and wagon models. The sedan registers a coefficient of drag (Cd) of 0.28 and the wagon 0.30. A functional hood scoop supplies outside air to the engine-mounted intercooler.
High-Performance Intercooled / Turbocharged Engine
The 2005 Legacy 2.5 GT is powered by an intercooled and turbocharged 2.5-liter 4-cylinder boxer engine featuring Active Valve Control System (AVCS) variable valve timing technology. The engine produces 250 horsepower @ 5,600 rpm and 250 lb-ft. of peak torque @ 3,600 rpm.
The 2005 Legacy 2.5 GT will offer a choice between a smooth-shifting 5-speed manual transmission or an all-new 5-speed electronic direct control automatic transmission with the SPORTSHIFT feature for manual control when desired. The driver can choose to shift manually using the console shift handle or shift buttons on the MOMO®-designed steering wheel.
Performance-Bred Chassis
A new, stiffer unitized body structure makes greater use of aluminum and high-strength steel, as well as advanced construction techniques including hydroforming and tailored-blank welding. Suspension, braking and steering have been optimized to complement the powertrain performance in Legacy 2.5 GT. The proven MacPherson type strut front suspension uses all new components, including aluminum lower L-arms that reduce unsprung weight. The multilink rear suspension attaches to a new, hydroformed steel sub-frame for added rigidity. A wider track and revised geometry enhance handling and stability.
A 4-wheel disc Anti-lock Brake System (ABS) with Electronic Brake-force Distribution (EBD) is standard equipment on all 2005 Legacy models. Legacy 2.5 GT features larger front brake rotors than other Legacy models, as well as ventilated rear discs (solid discs on other models). Legacy 2.5 GT models roll on standard 17 x 7-inch aluminum-alloy wheels with 215/45 R17 all-season tires. The rack-and-pinion steering system has been redesigned for quicker response, greater precision and improved feel.
Symmetrical All-Wheel Drive
Subaru offers three different Symmetrical All-Wheel Drive systems in the 2005 Legacy models, each tailored to the type of transmission. With the 5-speed manual transmission, the system uses a viscous-coupling locking center differential to distribute the power 50/50 front to rear. Slippage at either set of wheels will send more power to the other set of wheels. Legacy 2.5 GT models equipped with the optional 5-speed automatic transmission use a system called Variable Torque Distribution (VTD). A planetary center differential works with an electronically controlled continuously variable hydraulic transfer clutch to manage power distribution. The system normally sends more power to the rear wheels to enhance handling agility, and it continuously adjusts the power distribution in response to driving and road conditions.
Legacy 2.5i and Legacy 2.5i Limited models will offer an optional 4-speed automatic transmission, with an AWD system that uses an electronically managed continuously variable transfer clutch to actively control power distribution in response to driving conditions.
All-New Interior Designed for True Grand Touring
The new Legacy interior design integrates the entire area from the instrument panel and large center panel to the console storage box. The sporty new four-dial instrument panel features an electroluminescent LED (light-emitting diode) gauge display in Legacy 2.5 GT. Standard equipment for the 2005 Legacy 2.5 GT includes a dual-zone automatic climate control system, a combination digital clock and trip computer, performance-design front seats with 4-stage heating and heated exterior mirrors. The standard audio system includes a 120-watt AM/FM stereo, a 6-disc in-dash CD changer and six speakers.
Legacy 2.5 GT Limited models add leather-trimmed upholstery, an 8-way power driver's seat and a 4-way power passenger seat. A glass power moonroof is standard on all Legacy GT Limited and Legacy 2.5i Limited models. The dual-panel moonroof on wagon models provides a single large opening when the tilt-up front section and retracting rear section are opened.
Review these features, get detailed specs, and view newly released images at www.Need-Desire.com.
About Subaru of America, Inc.
Subaru of America, Inc. is a wholly owned subsidiary of Fuji Heavy Industries Ltd. of Japan. Headquartered near Philadelphia, the company markets and distributes All-Wheel Drive Subaru vehicles, parts and accessories through a network of nearly 600 dealers across the United States. Subaru is the only car company that provides Symmetrical All-Wheel Drive as standard equipment on every vehicle in its product line. Subaru has been the best-selling import wagon in America for the past 20 years, based on R.L. Polk & Company new vehicle retail registration statistics calendar year-end 2002.
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I went back to Hong Kong during Christmas Break, when i was driving on the highway, i saw a white wagon passed me pretty fast, i was like WTF was that it looked like nthg i know of, so i gun my Van.....haha
finally caught up, the new Legacy wagon.....honestly i think it looks better than the A4 or S4, for the price and the spec of the Legacy i will take the Legacy
so 2.5T is it the same engine as the STI and just detuned? if yes that will be a Luxury STi??
I am currently struggling in the same situation......A4 Avant is lil slow compare to my GS4, S4 cost too much, Legacy will cheaper than both A4 S4. But the only reason i dont wanna buy the Legacy for my next becuz i want a European car next, at the same time nthg can really compare with the GS(same price range and same quality).......to get my next car is PITA!
finally caught up, the new Legacy wagon.....honestly i think it looks better than the A4 or S4, for the price and the spec of the Legacy i will take the Legacy
so 2.5T is it the same engine as the STI and just detuned? if yes that will be a Luxury STi??
I am currently struggling in the same situation......A4 Avant is lil slow compare to my GS4, S4 cost too much, Legacy will cheaper than both A4 S4. But the only reason i dont wanna buy the Legacy for my next becuz i want a European car next, at the same time nthg can really compare with the GS(same price range and same quality).......to get my next car is PITA!
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The Legacy close to the pricing of the Forester, the Forester Turbo (same engine), fully loaded is 27K$, How did you end up with 37K
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Originally posted by IsraelRX
Obviously you have'nt driven Subaru's 2.5T engine + it offers the same performance for the price of a M-B C240 or BMW 325i...
Obviously you have'nt driven Subaru's 2.5T engine + it offers the same performance for the price of a M-B C240 or BMW 325i...
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Oh and the article you posted, that states everything I have. I acknowledge that the Legacy GT is gonna be in the US but I don't thin the B4 is. The B4 is the 300hp version one. 2.5T doesn't automatically equal STi so yes, there will be a 2.5L turbo flat four in Americaa but making about 50 hp less than the Japanese version. Notice all the B4 shots are right hand drive.
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