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Old Aug 23, 2025 | 10:42 PM
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You don't drive data, though. And all that data was provided by the testers, so it was all factored in. For these testers, the Mach E was the one that checked the(ir) right boxes.
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Old Aug 24, 2025 | 05:56 AM
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0-100 in 8.7 seconds vs 11.7 seconds is data that you can definitely drive. I can tell you which one I prefer just from the data. "Personality", not so much.
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You don't drive data, though. And all that data was provided by the testers, so it was all factored in. For these testers, the Mach E was the one that checked the(ir) right boxes.
See this where the proprietary data that mfgs have on customers would be great to have been made public. Where do the majority of owners need power, where do they not utilize it etc?

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Old Aug 24, 2025 | 10:32 AM
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See this where the proprietary data that mfgs have on customers would be great to have been made public. Where do the majority of owners need power, where do they not utilize it etc?
I need power. I need utility. I need efficiency. On demand. That's both my Model Y and 3 👍
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I need power. I need utility. I need efficiency. On demand. That's both my Model Y and 3 👍
As silly as it sounds, Bob from somewhere probably wants a HUD/speedometer in front of him, a gear shift level, and physical buttons. That makes the Tesla not a good fit. He might not be alone.

Car buying is not a one size, best spec sheet type of thing, otherwise we'd all be driving beige toyota products only. This point gets missed by engineering consultants and youtube gurus.
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Originally Posted by Framestead
As silly as it sounds, Bob from somewhere probably wants a HUD/speedometer in front of him, a gear shift level, and physical buttons. That makes the Tesla not a good fit. He might not be alone.

Car buying is not a one size, best spec sheet type of thing, otherwise we'd all be driving beige toyota products only. This point gets missed by engineering consultants and youtube gurus.
I get that. I've probably owned the most EV'S out of anyone on this forum (2020 Hyundai Ioniq, 2023 Hyundai Ioniq 5, 2023 2022 Polestar 2, 2023 Model Y and 2024 Model 3), test drove several others, and none of the other EVs IMO met my full needs other than the Tesla's. But I'm just speaking for myself

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Old Aug 24, 2025 | 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Framestead
As silly as it sounds, Bob from somewhere probably wants a HUD/speedometer in front of him, a gear shift level, and physical buttons. That makes the Tesla not a good fit. He might not be alone.
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Bob from somewhere probably wants a sunshade, Apple Car Play… real ground clearance…a proper speedometer
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Old Aug 24, 2025 | 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Toys4RJill
Bob from somewhere probably wants a sunshade, Apple Car Play… real ground clearance…a proper speedometer
So I'm guessing the model Y followed by the Model 3 being best selling cars a few years in a row (still best sellers in California) must have been a fluke despite lacking all those accessories you listed?
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So I'm guessing the model Y followed by the Model 3 being best selling cars a few years in a row (still best sellers in California) must have been a fluke despite lacking all those accessories you listed?
I cant speak for Jill or Bob, but depends on whats the goal is. If Tesla wants to appeal to more masses, besides introducing more models some of these basics might be a cheap way to appeal to the masses. If Tesla wants to ignore that subset, rightfully so as you pointed with the sales success probably something legacy or other startups might tap into.
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Old Aug 24, 2025 | 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Framestead
I cant speak for Jill or Bob, but depends on whats the goal is. If Tesla wants to appeal to more masses, besides introducing more models some of these basics might be a cheap way to appeal to the masses. If Tesla wants to ignore that subset, rightfully so as you pointed with the sales success probably something legacy or other startups might tap into.
You could say the same about any other automaker. Tesla has found its sweet spot, and as I mentioned, Elon had more to do with declining Tesla sales than lack of roof shade or speedometer. Maybe they should offer more options, but knowing how Tesla "rolls", those will either come incrementally, or not at all. But I don't want to get off topic and derail this thread
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Originally Posted by Framestead
I cant speak for Jill or Bob, but depends on whats the goal is. If Tesla wants to appeal to more masses, besides introducing more models some of these basics might be a cheap way to appeal to the masses. If Tesla wants to ignore that subset, rightfully so as you pointed with the sales success probably something legacy or other startups might tap into.
Having options that align with the rest of the segment would do wonders for Tesla. the model Y was the only vehicle in this test that was called out for cost cutting. Next generation should fix all that


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Originally Posted by Toys4RJill
Having options that align with the rest of the segment would do wonders for Tesla. the model Y was the only vehicle in this test that was called out for cost cutting

And yet it's out selling every car listed there. Please explain that to me
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Old Aug 24, 2025 | 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Toys4RJill
Having options that align with the rest of the segment would do wonders for Tesla. the model Y was the only vehicle in this test that was called out for cost cutting. Next generation should fix all that

Let me correct my last statement. It's out selling all them combined. Please explain that, I would love to hear your explanation
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Old Aug 24, 2025 | 03:25 PM
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The sound of crickets is deafening

Getting back on topic, as an overall EV advocate, I welcome choice, and many of these vehicles are great options for those who don't particularly like the way Tesla does stuff. Understandable. And I'm glad there are several choices on the market that people can choose from should they want things like traditional speedometers, and other options Tesla's don't offer
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Old Aug 24, 2025 | 03:48 PM
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So my 2c is that some if not much of it is just because they are better EVs, but some if not much of it is also about the sales approach. Tesla makes it very easy to buy or lease, and everyone who buys a Tesla at the same time pays the same as anyone else buying the same vehicle. Customers like that. The legacy dealership model is often the polar opposite.
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