William of Ockham

 

I believe the only thing a Tesla has in common with a 100 year old electric car is that it carries people and has wheels.

PHEV's are a valid option for people who don't care about the improved driving performance of a BEV but still want a more eco-friendly option than a regular HEV or ICE vehicle. The strong sales of the Camry over the years are proof that there's a strong market for drivers who simply don't care how their car performs as long as it works.

and @bitkahuna would really hate the exhaust on my truck.

 

They carried people, had wheels, and were propelled by an electric motor with rechargeable batteries. Other than that, they are completely different. lol

 

Everywhere else, dual fuel ability is an advantage and usually cost more. Here, it costs less and fixes several of the issues that prevent people from leaving ICE.

Just really shiitake journalism by Lieberman. But I am glad to see someone finally say the quiet part out loud about banning ICE, even though it's just virtue signaling that won't really happen on the timelines in place.

 

But let’s say you dutifully charge your PHEV before you drive it. You’re being trained to use an EV in the worst way. Fully charging a battery to 100 percent and then running it down to zero is terrible for the long-term health of any battery. Fully charging a battery to 100 percent and then running it down to zero is terrible for the long-term health of any battery. Battery health is best achieved by charging to between 70 to 80 percent (or less), and then plugging in when you dip below 20 percent.

Did someone forget to tell this guy that you can't actually charge a Toyota/Lexus PHEV to100% (it stops at 80-90%) or allow it to drop below 20%?

Also, so far I only drive on EV when in local driving. I go HV when driving medium and long distances. The right tool for the job.

 

Yeah, i've read that when the dash says 100% on the Prius Prime, the battery is actually right around 80% charged. And considering the size of the battery and the range given, that makes sense. And the crying about carrying around the extra weight of the ICE drivetrain is dumb too, because EVs do the same with all the extra battery needed to extend their range.

The only downsides I see to PHEVs is the extra maintenance of the ICE drivetrain, something people are already used to. And the driving experience once the battery is drained. Neither outweigh the benefits of costing less, a better warranty, giving you an EV experience for the majority of driving, and doing away with range anxiety completely. A great solution for many until the issues with BEVs and infrastructure are resolved, whenever that may happen.

Just poor journalism.

 

so there's no way to charge the prius prime battery to 100%?

 

Let me take it one step further

So are you telling us Toyota is lying to us?? The nerve of them 🤣🤣🤣

 

That's what I've read. 100% on the dash means about 80% to 85% of the battery is actually charged. I haven't read anything that allows an override.

 

You can't. I have charged my PHEV to what the dashboard says is 100%, but if you measure it, it's actually between 80% and 90%. People with better instruments than I say 80%, so I'll go with that.

And you can't use the traction battery down to 0%...the HV automatically switches on at 20% and maintains it at least at that level.

 

The same with any EV, draining the LV battery can damage it, which is why all EV makes discourage keeping the HV battery below 20 percent

 

Exactly. Toyota manages it so owners don't have to. Probably a better plan for non-enthusiasts. Most people don't want to have to care about that.

But Lieberman incorrectly implied that is a bad thing and damages the battery. Someone who works for Motor Trend should know better.

 

The EV % is as accurate as the DTE fuel mileage in Toyota/Lexus models.

in the R4P 100% battery is actually 90% and when the EV range is depleted it’s really 30% which is left for HV duty. So I guess in a sense Toyota is protecting the long term life of the battery for you.

In my Prius if I remember correctly the battery stays between 20%-80%.

 

I was joking 😃