General Car Conversation 2024 - part 1
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You misunderstand. An oil made and marketed for the European market would not certify to ILSAC because ILSAC is a US standard. They would be wasting money certifying it to ILSAC because the US is not the target market. Euro oil is made to ACEA standards (Association des Constructeurs Européens d'Automobiles). Whether or not you can get Euro spec oil in the US is beside the point.
Edit: I personally don't care about the oil debate, but the question I was looking to answer was why Euro spec oil would not certify for ILSAC standards
Edit: I personally don't care about the oil debate, but the question I was looking to answer was why Euro spec oil would not certify for ILSAC standards
Last edited by Allen K; Jul 16, 2024 at 05:11 PM.
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You misunderstand. An oil made and marketed for the European market would not certify to ILSAC because ILSAC is a US standard. They would be wasting money certifying it to ILSAC because the US is not the target market. Euro oil is made to ACEA standards (Association des Constructeurs Européens d'Automobiles). Whether or not you can get Euro spec oil in the US is besides the point.
You said it would not be used in Europe. But it is used in Europe.
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And please don’t tell me that I’m taking a shot at Toyota, I’ve made it very clear that isn’t the case and that I don’t consider the fact that Mercedes requires a bunch of different specs a plus.
ILSAC is not used in Europe as it's not a European standard. ILSAC is a US standard. Is there an overlap between them? Probably. But a Euro spec oil would not certify to ILSAC instead of ACEA. They might do both, but not ILSAC over ACEA
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You have multiple people here telling you that you’re wrong, and you are. Like Allen said in Europe they use a different standard than ILSAC. Those European oils would pass ILSAC they just don’t pay to be certified because they don’t sell them here.
And please don’t tell me that I’m taking a shot at Toyota, I’ve made it very clear that isn’t the case and that I don’t consider the fact that Mercedes requires a bunch of different specs a plus.
And please don’t tell me that I’m taking a shot at Toyota, I’ve made it very clear that isn’t the case and that I don’t consider the fact that Mercedes requires a bunch of different specs a plus.
but it is.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; Jul 16, 2024 at 05:18 PM.
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Source? I'm in the German equivalent of Autozone and in my spot checking I've not seen any oil that has ILSAC listed
https://www.atu.de/kategorie/oele-un...toroele-w5565/
Toyota might use 0W20 in the US and EMEA, but the EMEA SKU will definitely be state it meets the ACEA standard instead of ILSAC
https://www.atu.de/kategorie/oele-un...toroele-w5565/
Toyota might use 0W20 in the US and EMEA, but the EMEA SKU will definitely be state it meets the ACEA standard instead of ILSAC
Last edited by Allen K; Jul 16, 2024 at 05:44 PM.
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Lol, that's spec is basically asking "is it oil?"
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Because all requiring ILSAC-GF-5 really says is "Use motor oil that is approved for use in engines". Just like requiring DOT tires just means "use tires that are legal for public roads." Well yes of course you should do both of these things. In both cases, "meeting the spec" is a bar so low as to be utterly meaningless.
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Source? I'm in the German equivalent of Autozone and in my spot checking I've not seen any oil that has ILSAC listed
https://www.atu.de/kategorie/oele-un...toroele-w5565/
Toyota might use 0W20 in the US and EMEA, but the EMEA SKU will definitely be state it meets the ACEA standard instead of ILSAC
https://www.atu.de/kategorie/oele-un...toroele-w5565/
Toyota might use 0W20 in the US and EMEA, but the EMEA SKU will definitely be state it meets the ACEA standard instead of ILSAC
https://www.atu.de/produkt/motoroel-...1-liter-ba0021
and inside Toyota manuals as state it as well
t meets the ACEA
some Toyotas use the ACEA and some use JASO. This is the 48V hybrid diesel Hilux.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; Jul 16, 2024 at 06:21 PM.
That oil meets both. I'm looking for one that's ILSAC only and sold in Europe
I don't get the point of the manual posts? What regions are the cars made for? I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that a US market car is going to request ILSAC and Euro is going to state ACEA
I don't get the point of the manual posts? What regions are the cars made for? I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that a US market car is going to request ILSAC and Euro is going to state ACEA
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That oil meets both. I'm looking for one that's ILSAC only and sold in Europe
I don't get the point of the manual posts? What regions are the cars made for? I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that a US market car is going to request ILSAC and Euro is going to state ACEA
I don't get the point of the manual posts? What regions are the cars made for? I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that a US market car is going to request ILSAC and Euro is going to state ACEA
https://www.misteroil.eu/en-eu/shop/...-economy-extra
Last edited by Toys4RJill; Jul 16, 2024 at 06:48 PM.