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Old Jan 6, 2024 | 08:16 AM
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Let's be honest no matter what I post you'll dismiss the source.
Hey pot, its the kettle lol
Old Jan 6, 2024 | 09:40 AM
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I suppose then the more interesting question has little to do with the pros and cons of the Swedish model, or Tesla's preferences, and instead, in such a circumstance, what would you do to resolve it?
I don't know because this whole thing appears a distraction for the high cost of living.

That's the real problem.

The union issue is a fight your average man can get involved with because they cannot comprehend the complex mechanics of their reality and why things are as they are.

That's the short version and the rest is outside the scope of this thread so I'll leave it there. 🤖. 😀
Old Jan 6, 2024 | 09:47 AM
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Not if you're citing legitimate sources with a reasonable level of credibility.
how about ny times? it's paywalled but reading mode on a mac shows relevant part:

The Tesla technicians who walked off their jobs in Sweden say they still support the mission of the American company and its headline-grabbing chief executive. But they also want Tesla to accept the Swedish way of doing business.They call it the Swedish Model, a way of life that has defined the country’s economy for decades. At its heart is cooperation between employers and employees to ensure that both sides benefit from a company’s profit.

Instead, four technicians who walked off their jobs on Oct. 27 said, they have been subjected to what they described as a “typical U.S. model”: six-day workweeks, unavoidable overtime and an unclear evaluation system for promotion.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/27/b...ike-labor.html

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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
how about ny times? it's paywalled but reading mode on a mac shows relevant part:



https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/27/b...ike-labor.html
So that's a sample of four they feature in their article. Neither Tesla nor the union appears to have confirmed the actual number of technicians, but the indirect number is clearly exponentially larger as the article you posted but selectively and deceptively quoted from goes on to highlight. And the principal reason for that is Tesla is ignoring local market norms and assuming what they can get away with in the US is something they can get away with elsewhere. The net effect is the same whether some or all of the technicians went on strike (anecdotally, a rare occurrence in Sweden because collective bargaining typically works well over there), the strike has clearly highlighted Tesla's position and contrasted it to local employment market expectations.
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And to be clear, the claim made in the thread that remains absolutely evidence-free is that the majority of Tesla workers in Sweden do not support the strike and do not want collective bargaining.
Old Jan 6, 2024 | 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by swajames
And to be clear, the claim made in the thread that remains absolutely evidence-free is that the majority of Tesla workers in Sweden do not support the strike and do not want collective bargaining.
Actually there have been many articles in European press about low number of strikers, how union does not want to disclose how many members are striking and how they are dismissing ones who dont out of the union.
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Originally Posted by swajames
And to be clear, the claim made in the thread that remains absolutely evidence-free is that the majority of Tesla workers in Sweden do not support the strike and do not want collective bargaining.
Which is why I simply brought up bringing it to a vote, since Tesla, Lex2k are so confident it's only a few people that wants a union. Tells me all I need to know.
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Promises of a strike against Tesla, organized by the trade union IF Metall, raised concerns among the company's customers. But when the day came, no one chose to stop their work. Tesla Club Sweden visited Tesla's service center in Infra City to get a closer look at the situation. Friday's planned strike at Tesla , whose purpose was to cripple the company's operations, did not take place. The reporter took the time to talk to the workshop staff, who happily shared their views. They claimed they did not want to strike because their working conditions and wages were better at Tesla compared to previous workplaces. In addition, shift allowance and overtime pay are added to the salary, which also exceeds what other companies offer. The company also provides beneficial stock options, which, according to one young employee, helped him buy his first apartment.

Another employee pointed out that the average age of Tesla's workforce is lower than average and that working conditions are better than what this age group normally gets at other workshops. He also emphasized that there is strong cohesion and well-being in the workplace, which contributes to low staff turnover.


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Old Jan 6, 2024 | 10:46 AM
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Actually there have been many articles in European press about low number of strikers, how union does not want to disclose how many members are striking and how they are dismissing ones who dont out of the union.
Absolutely none of which speaks to the general level of support among Tesla workers for their goal, in a country where the majority of workers belong to a union and the vast majority are covered by a collective agreement.
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Lol another attempt to shoehorn in the investigative journalism powerhouses at Tesla Club Sweden
Old Jan 6, 2024 | 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by swajames
Lol another attempt to shoehorn in the investigative journalism powerhouses at Tesla Club Sweden
Lol, can you show any evidence that anyone is striking bro?

Wtf, lets see the counter claims. Very simple!
Old Jan 6, 2024 | 10:53 AM
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Tesla workers striking in Sweden while Tesla is having record month and year:

Tesla new car registrations in Sweden rose 9% in Dec
https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...ec-2024-01-02/
Old Jan 6, 2024 | 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by swajames
So that's a sample of four they feature in their article. Neither Tesla nor the union appears to have confirmed the actual number of technicians, but the indirect number is clearly exponentially larger as the article you posted but selectively and deceptively quoted from goes on to highlight.
i don't appreciate being accused of deception. i had no such intent, only had limited access to the article, and posted what i thought was the relevant piece.

your continued insistence on evidence to counter your socialist fantasies are getting old.
Old Jan 6, 2024 | 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by spwolf
Lol, can you show any evidence that anyone is striking bro?

Wtf, lets see the counter claims. Very simple!
"Bro"?

Regardless, that's not how it works. You and another have made claims that most Tesla workers don't support the strike, but failed to support that to any reasonable level.

I've made two representations in this thread, one that most workers in Sweden are covered by a collective agreement, and I already provided a link to an OECD paper to support that, and the other that the majority of workers in Sweden are unionized:

https://www.unionen.se/in-english/ho...r-market-works

https://www.soc.lu.se/en/article/swe...fter%20Iceland.
Old Jan 6, 2024 | 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
i don't appreciate being accused of deception. i had no such intent, only had limited access to the article, and posted what i thought was the relevant piece.

your continued insistence on evidence to counter your socialist fantasies are getting old.
So in a prior post I was a "left leaning liberal" and now I'm indulging in "socialist fantasies"...

Regardless, 100% deception. The rest of the article you posted didn't support the selective quote.



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