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Old Mar 17, 2023 | 04:49 PM
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Just imagine if your brake pedal or throttle has variable response, or even a mouse with acceleration turned on. It's inconsistent and dangerous
LOL, cars already brake and accelerate 'by wire' (sensors, control modules, motors, etc). plus there's the hybrid / ev factor which has to combine regenerative and friction braking, and it's all software anyway, so definitely 'variable' and not old school foot controls brake pads directly.

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This is incredibly dangerous. There is a DELAY between turning the steering wheel and the actual tires/wheels movement. Horrendous engineering.
LOLOL... you're a fan of everything tesla including "full self driving", no gauges in front of the driver, etc., yet drive by wire is 'incredibly dangerous'.

about the 'delay', the youtuber says it's a preproduction model for one, plus it may be an issue when the car is stopped (when he showed it)... he didn't seem to have ANY issue when driving the vehicle, and hugely preferred it over the horrendous tesla implementation.
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What happens when you need to make an emergency maneuver? You can't, you'll crank the wheel in an attempt to avoid a collision and the car will be like, I'll turn the wheels eventually.
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For some components KISS method is best. If Tesla or anyone else starts using steer by wire I'll condemn it just the same.
you posted a long video of a tesla driving itself through a busy city in all sorts of complex scenarios. so human steering input doesn't even come into play. talk about NOT 'KISS'
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Old Mar 17, 2023 | 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
LOL, cars already brake and accelerate 'by wire' (sensors, control modules, motors, etc). plus there's the hybrid / ev factor which has to combine regenerative and friction braking, and it's all software anyway, so definitely 'variable' and not old school foot controls brake pads directly.



LOLOL... you're a fan of everything tesla including "full self driving", no gauges in front of the driver, etc., yet drive by wire is 'incredibly dangerous'.

about the 'delay', the youtuber says it's a preproduction model for one, plus it may be an issue when the car is stopped (when he showed it)... he didn't seem to have ANY issue when driving the vehicle, and hugely preferred it over the horrendous tesla implementation.
Originally Posted by bitkahuna
you posted a long video of a tesla driving itself through a busy city in all sorts of complex scenarios. so human steering input doesn't even come into play. talk about NOT 'KISS'
Any more whataboutisms you want to toss out there?

Because you didn't notice, a person can take over from FSD at any time with full control. No massively dangerous latency trying to turn the wheel.
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Old Mar 17, 2023 | 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Striker223

You also can't rebuild an EPS rack and of the external seals for the rack dies from corrosion..
Here is a refurbished steering rack



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Old Mar 17, 2023 | 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Lwerewolf
Glad I'm not crazy. Super annoying and noticeable at blind corners/intersections where you're crawling at a snail's pace - or when an animal jumps in front of you or whatever.
Comes in like hammer doesn't it?
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Old Mar 17, 2023 | 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
LOL, cars already brake and accelerate 'by wire' (sensors, control modules, motors, etc). plus there's the hybrid / ev factor which has to combine regenerative and friction braking, and it's all software anyway, so definitely 'variable' and not old school foot controls brake pads directly.



LOLOL... you're a fan of everything tesla including "full self driving", no gauges in front of the driver, etc., yet drive by wire is 'incredibly dangerous'.

about the 'delay', the youtuber says it's a preproduction model for one, plus it may be an issue when the car is stopped (when he showed it)... he didn't seem to have ANY issue when driving the vehicle, and hugely preferred it over the horrendous tesla implementation.
No lol! It's a fixed response curve and I also have my cars tuned for 1:1 since I hate an indirect response. The curve doesn't randomly change as you go....it's fixed and the shift programing is a map that gets overridden if you slam the gas or brake to a default map. Same with the engine management
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Old Mar 17, 2023 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Here is a refurbished steering rack


That's alot cheaper than I thought for that part.
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Old Mar 17, 2023 | 05:49 PM
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That's not a Toyota part. It's an OE core refurbished by a 3rd party probably in China. OE rack is $700.
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Originally Posted by xGS350x
That's alot cheaper than I thought for that part.
That's a low grade rack that is acted on by a motor on the steering column not the actual rack, they have a horrible response and an assist lag.

Not comparable at all.
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Old Mar 17, 2023 | 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
That's not a Toyota part. It's an OE core refurbished by a 3rd party probably in China. OE rack is $700.
$700 still aint bad compared to a stir by wire system
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‘Here are three solutions for a 14 year old Corolla. Two refurbished one from Japan and one from USA. One new aftermarket
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Old Mar 17, 2023 | 08:01 PM
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None of those have anything to do with drive by wire. The Corolla rack is electrically assisted via a mechanism as part of the steering column, $1700 for that. But again, zero relevance to this thread.
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Old Mar 17, 2023 | 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
None of those have anything to do with drive by wire. The Corolla rack is electrically assisted via a mechanism as part of the steering column, $1700 for that. But again, zero relevance to this thread.
I tried to tell them that already......
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Old Mar 17, 2023 | 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Striker223
I tried to tell them that already......
bahah you are hilarious ( well played)
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Old Mar 17, 2023 | 08:18 PM
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@Striker223 and @LeX2K you both have a ton of knowledge! I'm enjoying the back and forth and learning something new at the same time!
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