Right, compiling data for others to complain about is fail It is common knowledge those vehicles are the mid-size class and its based on price, not size. I am more than happy to continue educating. For example the LaCrosse and MKS are about 200 inches in length but they sure as hell ain't flagship cars like below. The ILX and Verano might be the size of a 3 or IS but they sure as hell ain't entry level luxury cars. Cars like the ES, G37, TL are big for their entry level class and simply not in the mid-size class.

Large Class
S-1,216
7- 1,046
LS- 980
A8- 563
Panamera-411
Equus- 291
(can't find XJ)

 

Altima got huge discounts, you can get new Altima for $16.5k right now... thats just crazy. And it is also crazy how well Corolla is selling.

 

Pretty sad state for the Altima, esp. when it took an extra year for the re-design, and another year for the coupe (still not out).

 

Ok, but not all "midsize" vehicles are priced the same and that's my point. There's "executive" class, which are generally priced around the same where the cars you put on your list would fit that category. But to list a bunch of luxury vehicles and their sales numbers under the term "midsize" without putting the other midsize luxury vehicles on there is misleading. The ES, S80, CTS, etc are ALL "midsize" luxury vehicles and should be on the list that you made.

If you are referring to "executive class" only vehicles, then change the heading of your list. I have no issue with you compiling data, but get it right. I've seen you conveniently leave out vehicles from your lists time and time again and it's rather misleading.

 

JAGUAR LAND ROVER REPORTS U.S. SALES FOR MARCH 2013

Jaguar Land Rover North America sales increase 4 percent for March 2013; best JLR March sales since 2006
Jaguar U.S. sales increase 7 percent; highest monthly sales volume in last 30 months
Land Rover U.S. sales increase 3 percent for March 2013; best March in the history of the brand in the U.S.
Jaguar XF (+30%) and Range Rover Evoque (+47%) power U.S. March sales growth
Range Rover Evoque establishes a new monthly sales high
Land Rover sets record for its highest U.S. Q1 sales ever
(MAHWAH, NJ) April 2, 2013 – Jaguar Land Rover North America today reported March 2013 U.S. sales: Land Rover sales were 4,314 units, 3 percent up from 4,199 units in March 2012; Jaguar sales were 1,408 units, 7 percent up from 1,321 units in March 2012. Jaguar Land Rover North America March U.S. sales for both brands hit 5,722 units, a 4 percent increase from 5,520 in March 2012.

Year to date for the first quarter of the year, Jaguar Land Rover North America is up 14 percent, with Jaguar up 8 percent and Land Rover up 17 percent. For Land Rover, 2013 Q1 sales were the highest Q1 in the history of the brand in the United States.

"We are thrilled that the Jaguar Land Rover business had such a robust kick off to the spring selling season with our best March in seven years,” said Andy Goss, President, Jaguar Land Rover North America. “Jaguar had its best month in over 2 years on renewed interest in the XF sedan, now available with a range of 4, 6, and 8 cylinder engines, and rear and all wheel drive. Land Rover continues its U.S. growth streak with its best Range Rover Evoque month ever, helping it increase for the month, and set a new record for the best first quarter in the history of the brand in the U.S.”

U.S. BRAND HIGHLIGHTS

Land Rover
For the month of March, Range Rover Evoque established a new monthly sales record of 1,157 units, an increase of 47 percent from 785 units in March, 2012. The volume leader continues to be the Range Rover Sport with 1,386 sales, an increase of 2 percent from 1,356 sales in March 2012.

For the first quarter 2013, Land Rover reached 12,419 units, its best Q1 sales in the history of the brand in the United States (previous high was 11,298 units in 2006). Quarterly sales increases came from LR2, Range Rover Evoque, Range Rover Sport and Range Rover.

At the 2013 New York International Auto Show, Land Rover debuted the All New 2014 MY Range Rover Sport, going on sale this fall. The new Range Rover Sport, built on a weight saving aluminum architecture, will join the recently launched Range Rover and Range Rover Evoque in the brand’s portfolio of all new Range Rover SUVs.

Land Rover's 2013 model year line-up features five models: The 240-hp 2.0 liter powered LR2 and Range Rover Evoque; the LR4 powered by the 375-hp 5.0 liter V8; the Range Rover Sport and Range Rover, both available with the Naturally-aspirated 375-hp V8 and 510-hp supercharged 5.0 liter V8 powertrains. For MY14 both the Range Rover and Range Rover Sport will come equipped with a choice of supercharged 340-hp 3.0 liter V6 or 510-hp supercharged 5.0 liter V8 powertrains.

Jaguar
For the month of March, the Jaguar XF was the volume and growth leader with 800 units sold, up 30 percent from 614 sales in March 2012. Year to date, for Q1, Jaguar sales are 3,585, up 8 percent from 3,328 sales, with both XF and XJ sedan sales increasing on the appeal of new powertrains and all wheel drive.

At the 2013 New York International Auto Show, Jaguar debuted two new models, the 550-hp Jaguar XJR and Jaguar XKR-S GT, expanding its R performance lineup to six models.

For MY13 the transformed Jaguar U.S. lineup includes:
Instinctive All Wheel Drive™ – Available on both the XF and XJ
Supercharged 340hp V6 engines in the XF and XJ
Turbocharged 240hp four cylinder engine available in the XF
Eight Speed ZF® Automatic Transmissions on all XF and XJ models
Auto Engine Stop/Start on select XF and XJ models
Jaguar's 2013 model year line-up features three models: The Jaguar XJ luxury sedan, powered by either the supercharged 3.0 liter V6 in rear wheel or all wheel drive configuration, naturally-aspirated 385-hp 5.0 liter V8, the 470-hp supercharged 5.0 liter V8 or the 510-hp supercharged 5.0 liter V8; the Jaguar XF sports sedan powered by the 240-hp 2.0 liter turbocharged four cylinder, supercharged 340-hp 3.0 liter V6 in rear wheel or all wheel drive configuration, the naturally-aspirated 385-hp 5.0 liter V8, the 470-hp supercharged 5.0 liter V8 or, in the XFR, the 510-hp supercharged 5.0 liter V8 powertrains; and the XK coupe and convertible sports cars powered by either the naturally-aspirated 385-hp V8, or for the XKR, the 510-hp supercharged 5.0 liter V8 powertrains. Jaguar also offers its highest performance models ever, the 2013 Jaguar XKR-S coupe and convertible with a 550-hp supercharged 5.0 liter V8 powertrain. The Jaguar F-TYPE convertible will join the lineup in summer of 2013.

 

Sens4miles - if you disagree with what others members include or exclude from their lists, i would suggest creating your own summary or category and posting it if there is some specific point you want to make about a different combination of vehicles and their relative sales.

 

Toyota Camry, Honda Accord Losing Grip on Sedan Market

For nearly 2 decades, the Toyota Camry and the Honda Accord have ruled the mid-sized car market.

Nobody accused them of being stylish or fast. But the cars rarely broke down, and they held their value better than competitors. For drivers who wanted a family car, Camry and Accord got the job done and were good enough to become 2 of the best-selling cars of all time.

But now the dominance is starting to slip. Cars like the Hyundai Sonata, Ford Fusion, Nissan Altima and Kia Optima have cut into sales of the Camry and Accord by offering combinations of sleeker designs, luxury-car features and better gas mileage.

The competition has shaken up the biggest segment of the U.S. auto market. The completely redesigned vehicles have made midsize cars appealing to a broader audience, from young families to downsizing baby boomers to people who want the look and feel of luxury but don't want the cost. Midsize cars accounted for almost 25% of the total industry in February, up from 22% at the end of 2007. Automakers report March sales on Tuesday.

Differences in quality and reliability in midsize cars have all but been erased, so buyers now look at styling and performance, industry analysts say. That puts added pressure on Toyota and Honda to stay ahead, but also on the other automakers, because brand loyalty isn't what it used to be. Every time a new, sleeker car comes out, many buyers flock to it. As a result, automakers are redesigning midsize cars in about half the usual time.

"Your latest and greatest are the ones that are selling the most," said Glenn Mears, owner of Chrysler, Ford, Honda and Nissan dealerships in the Dover, Ohio, area south of Cleveland.

Sales figures show how tough the competition has gotten for Camry and Accord, still the 2 top-selling cars in the U.S.

The Camry's annual sales have fallen by more than 68,000 since 2007, while Accord sales have dropped by more than 60,000. 5 years ago, Camry and Accord combined sold 865,339 cars, accounting for almost a quarter of the midsize segment. But last year they slipped to just over 20% on sales of 736,758, according to Autodata Corp.

The Camry, last redesigned in 2011, has all the newest bells and whistles inside, such as a touch-screen and voice command system, but isn't as sleek-looking on the outside as its rivals. Still, Toyota doesn't plan any major styling changes to the Camry because there's no sense messing with the success of a car with sales over 400,000 per year, said Jim Lentz, Toyota's North American chief executive.

Lentz said that because other automakers improved their cars, Camry sales won't grow much in the near term, even though the market for midsize cars is getting bigger.

"So the pie is getting larger. Because of the increase in competition, our share of that pie is getting smaller," he said.

Honda came out with a well-received redesign of the Accord last year, and it's gaining ground on the midsize leader. While Camry outsold Accord by 70,000 last year, the Accord's percentage gain was bigger, 40% to 31% for the Camry. The large gains reflect the automakers' recovery from the earthquake in Japan in 2011.

Sales of the Camry fell in February, the 2nd decline in 3 months. Accord sales rose 35% in February and trailed Camry by just 3,271.

Ford's Fusion has moved into 3rd place. The fully revamped car hit showrooms in September, with a European design that looks like an Aston-Martin.

That style led Susie Gates of suburban Dallas to lease a Fusion in February because it stood out from the Sonata and Camry, she said.

"It just seems like everyone and their mom has 1," she said of the Camry. "There was nothing exciting about it."

Gates, 37, who works for a service that helps people having trouble paying their mortgages, is at an age where people typically would buy a Camry or Accord. She says her pearl-white 2013 Fusion turns heads.

"It's just absolutely gorgeous," she said.

That wasn't a term associated with midsize cars until Hyundai remade the Sonata in April 2010. The hard angles were gone. Car reviewers said it had a sculpted exterior that gave the appearance of a car in motion even when parked. Sales rose 15% by the end of 2011.

But Sonata's numbers haven't been quite as pretty lately. Sales were off 8% in February compared with the same month a year earlier, and have declined in 5 of the past 7 months. The reason: Designs in the midsize market are changing so fast that analysts say the Sonata now seems dated. And Altima sales fell 16% last month, even though a brand-new design came out last summer.

"The competition is so fierce," said Jesse Toprak, senior analyst for automotive pricing site TrueCar.com. "It forces automakers into much more frequent updates."

Automakers used to redesign cars every 6 or 7 years and update them every 3 or 4. But in the midsize segment, that's changing to redesigns every 3 or 4 years and updates every other year, Toprak said.

General Motors, for instance, is freshening the slow-selling Chevrolet Malibu for 2014, even though it was redesigned last year. The update changes the look in the front and back. The car's front grille, for instance, gets 3 chrome-accented horizontal bars rather than one solid bar, matching newer Chevrolet vehicles. GM also addresses criticism of a cramped back seat.

Malibu sales rose just 3% in 2012. GM lowered the base price by $300 to $770 depending on model and raised discounts on the car in February.

Since slicker styling is now commonplace, price is a bigger consideration for buyers, Toprak said. And that means better deals for consumers, particularly on older models.

Carmakers are either dropping the base price or ramping up incentives. Average sales prices fell from January to February on 7 of the segment's 10 top-selling vehicles, according to the Edmunds.com auto website. Discounts also rose on 7 of the 10 top sellers. The average price dropped by $131, to $25,729.

Camry's price went up slightly between January and February, but in the past year, it has fallen $136, to $24,211. The Camry's average price is about $1,000 less than the Accord and Altima and $2,000 less than the Fusion. In late February, Toyota began offering no-interest financing on the 2013 Camry for 60 months.

 

i remember these knee-jerk reactions from "analysts" when Altima came close to camry in some months of 2011.... of course, it ended up being way lower sales at the end.

Same now - Altima starts right now at $16.5k... it is a lot cheaper than base Camry... essentially it competes with Corolla as much as Camry these days... but these bottom prices cant last forever so they will lessen the incentives and sales will drop, just like 2 months ago.

 

That's cheaper than a Civic LOL. Before TTL, the LX Civic goes for $17k at the least.

 

That's oversimplifying. March was a month in which many automakers priced aggressively. And there were many ads for Camry at up to 5k off MSRP.

http://www.glocknertoyota.com/camry.htm
http://www.leithtoyota.com/newspecials.aspx
http://sanmarcostoyota.com/Camry-5000-off/

And you would be hard pressed to find Altimas anywhere at $16,500. They're making deals but that's just not that common.

Like the above article state. It's a fiercely contested market and there are great cars jamming the segment.

 

I agree.Just look at those Altima $16.5 or any other ridiculous priced vehicle ads and most will have a VIN# meaning the low price is on THAT car.
Or the grad,military,French kiss your aunt etc rebates in small print.

 

well, i am sure edmunds or someone will post average incentives so we will see, but i doubt this is anything but that. There is nothing new in Altima world this month but huge incentives and the sales were down 11.1% for Altima in 2013 vs old model in 2012, so they had to spice it up.

oh, found it... comparo is vs yr before so Toyota gave $1150 less per car, or let me put it this way - Nissan had 72% bigger incentives than Toyota.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...gains-traction

 

Nice. But doesn't really add weight to the idea of Altima's starting at $16,500 (which is almost not to be found anywhere). Yeah, we all know the incentives game but that's not what we're talking about here. The idea is being spun that Nissan is selling zillions of Altimas at Corolla prices which is just not true. Not to mention that it's just bad strategy since to do so would wreak havok on the newly introduced Sentra.

Let's stop making like they're giving the things away. Fact is, pound for pound, Altima is very attractive stacked next to Accord and especially Camry.

 

lol, they have 72% bigger incentives than Toyota but what? Its not what we are talking about here? About incentives? Nissan overall does have "bad" strategy as they make a lot less money than Toyota...

Yes, Toyota made 13x more money than Nissan last quarter.

And as to incentives you can find on cars.com, average price for Altima is $2k less than Camry, and you can find them as low as $15.8k.

These are just facts :-).